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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:28 AM
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Neocon Iranian Mortar Ruse Fizzles


Is there something wrong with this picture?

“America today blamed Iran for the deaths of 170 US troops inside Iraq, accusing Teheran of supplying insurgents with increasingly sophisticated bombs,” reports the neocon-infested UK Telegraph, a trusty propaganda tool.

“Senior defense officials in Baghdad said that Iranian-supplied “explosively formed projectiles” were frequently being used against coalition forces” and “the ‘highest levels’ of Iran’s regime were responsible for giving them to Shia militias in Iraq.”

<snip>

Of course, as this is a sloppy neocon ruse, as per usual, there is a problem here. Can you guess what it is?

If you guessed the date, you win a Cupie doll. For some reason the geniuses at the Pentagon have failed to explain why the Iranians used a date from the Christian Gregorian calendar and not one from the Islamic Persian calendar. According to the Muslim calendar, the date stenciled on this mortar shell should read 1427, not 2006. And why did Iran, a country speaking and writing in Persian, a language written in a version of the Arabic script, decide to label their shells in English? Maybe they thought it would fool the infidels?

I’m not taking the bait. As usual, this attempt to frame Muslims stinks of neocon sloppiness. Once again, the neocons blow it. Not that it particularly matters, as most Americans are oblivious and, besides, millions of them still think Osama and Saddam are twin brothers.

<more>

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20070212&articleId=4757

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:30 AM
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1. Hah.
They don't care how many exceptions see through the ruse, though... they're counting on the M$M not trumpeting the story... Tony's backing us up, the plans are still on.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:33 AM
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2. Sounds like just another WMD story to me...
And we all know how accurate THAT one was!:eyes:

Guess Doug Feith still has some friends at the Pentagon cooking away.

B-)
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:41 AM
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3. Oh, heck. I can see the the Halliburton emblem on that shell!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:20 PM
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4. I know what they are
Those are just part the the guerrilla marketing campaign for "Desert Team Jihad Force" on The Al Jazeera Cartoon Network.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:25 PM
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5. They are mortor bombs made for Hotchkiss Brandt at "Pakistan Ordninance Factories"
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 12:29 PM by IanDB1


Products - Ordnance - Mortor Bombs

81 MM HE M 57 D A-2


These bombs are produced for use with Hotchkiss Brandt
mortars, of the following types:

* MO-81-61C Short barrel
* MO-81-61L Long barrel

The bomb is used against personnel and light material providing
both fragmentation & blast effect.

More:
http://www.pof.gov.pk/products/81mmhem57.htm

From our good friends in Pakistan!


Pakistan Ordnance Factories are the premier defence industries in Pakistan producing a wide range of conventional defensive munitions to international standards. Recognized for quality, reliability and competitive prices POF products are internationally accepted.
http://www.pof.gov.pk/index.aspx


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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:41 PM
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7. Nice work, IanDB1
Why can't the million-dollar TV "news" teams do this stuff?

Oh.... yeah..... because they are infiltrated and compromised.........
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:59 PM
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8. The MSM doesn't know how to google ""81MM HE" n/t
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:51 PM
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9. So they're from Pakistan? Whoops!!!
LOL, the Neo-con/BushCo axis has to be the most incompetent batch of imperialists, ever.

:rofl:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:31 PM
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17. Abductive reasoning.
There are a few countries that make 81 mm mortars. All mortars work about the same. "HE" is "high explosive", and is the most common kind of mortar.

When you have a light mortar shell, you want to know if it's 81 mm (because there are mortars a few mm smaller or larger). And you want to what the shell will do--poison the people you're shooting at, blow them up, or shroud them in smoke. Etc.

This is like saying a light bulb labeled 60W 115V *must* be made by GE, because GE makes 60W 115V light bulbs. It's a hypothesis ... but needs proof.
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TEEJ Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:13 PM
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19. Incorrect - No points
Sadly very, very wrong.

That is NOT a Pakistani mortar. Maybe you would like to examine the following. They even make the fuse that was shown in the evidence presented by the U.S. Armed Forces.

http://www.diomil.ir/en/home.aspx



Why hasn't the Iranians picked apart any of the evidence that was presented? The reason is because they can't. Study the products on the Iranian DIO website. The original article with it's claims of markings in Farsi and Persian calander are seriously flawed.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:25 PM
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6. kick and nom nt
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:01 PM
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10. There is something wrong with picture...
it is MISSING. at 1:59 pm est.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:30 PM
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12. Here ya go. I put it in my photobucket file
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 02:32 PM by IanDB1
....................
Pakistani mortar.............................. Portable sand toilet 2007
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:04 PM
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11. No wonder they didn't want cameras or
cellphones in that briefing. I wonder how much more of the evidence would fall to pieces if subjected to close examination.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:58 PM
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13. K/R
Deja vu all over again.

Impeach. Indict. Imprison.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:45 AM
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14. Check monkeyboy's desk for the stencil used to nake those markings.
It should be right next to his jumbo crayons.

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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:53 AM
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15. I've been looking at pics of 'real' 81mm Iranian shells and....
so far they all have sans serif fonts.

The one * drew with his paint and stencil set in the oval office is clearly a serif font.

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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:53 AM
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16. K&R
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TEEJ Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:07 PM
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18. The article is seriously flawed
Not so fast. The article is seriously, seriously flawed.

Why do you think that Iranian armaments wouldn't have English markings on them? Iran exports all kinds of military equipment. English is the international standard language. The Iranians use it for their products that they make. Iran also doesn't export munitions with their own indigenous calendar.

What you see in the image is on the reverse of the mortar

Go to their DIO website:

http://www.diomil.ir/en/home.aspx

Examine the products that they make with English stencils:

Oh look an 81mm mortar and NOT the Pakistani one that someone claims it to be:



"Over dlrs 100m worth of military equipment exported last year

Tehran, April 18 2005, IRNA

Iran exported over 100 million dollars worth of various military equipment last year.

Head of the Defense Committee of Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Reza Talaei Nik told IRNA here Monday Iran has potentials to increase its military equipment export as much as five times its present level.

The MP from Bahar and Kaboutar Ahang added, several countries have so far expressed their readiness to purchase Iran's modern military equipment.

He cited "Eastern price and Western quality" as the most important feature of the country's military products.

He stressed the importance of strengthening Iran's military and defense power under current circumstances that the country faces major challenges including its nuclear dossier, regional developments and the increasing trend of arms purchase by certain regional states, and the US long-term policies on changing structures of the Middle East region.

The Defense Committee of Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission is composed of seven MPs."

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