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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:34 AM
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Long-lost Text Lifts Cloud Over Knights Templar (trial for heresy)
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 06:39 AM by Dover




ROME - The Vatican has published secret documents about the trial of the Knights Templar, including a parchment — long ignored because of a vague catalog entry in 1628 — showing that Pope Clement V initially absolved the medieval order of heresy.

The 300-page volume recently came out in a limited edition — 799 copies — each priced at $8,377, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican’s secret archives.

The order of knights, which ultimately disappeared because of the heresy scandal, recently captivated the imagination of readers of the best-seller “The Da Vinci Code,” which linked the Templars to the story of the Holy Grail.

The Vatican work reproduces the entire documentation of the papal hearings convened after King Philip IV of France arrested and tortured Templar leaders in 1307 on charges of heresy and immorality.

The military order of the Poor Knights of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon was founded in 1118 in Jerusalem to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land after the First Crusade.

As their military might increased, the Templars also grew in wealth, acquiring property throughout Europe and running a primitive banking system. After they left the Middle East with the collapse of the Crusader kingdoms, their power and secretive ways aroused the fear of European rulers and sparked accusations of corruption and blasphemy....>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21267691/

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Vatican Prints Secrets of Knights Templar

By Philip Pullella,Reuters

VATICAN CITY (Oct. 12) - The Knights Templar, the medieval Christian military order accused of heresy and sexual misconduct, will soon be partly rehabilitated when the Vatican publishes trial documents it had closely guarded for 700 years...>

http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/vatican-prints-secrets-of-knights/20071012152309990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001







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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:47 AM
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1. I love hearing about this, Dover.
And I have to wonder what prompted the Vatican to release it at this time. Do you suppose the motivation was money? Their trial was such a dark chapter in human history that we got our "Friday the 13th" superstition from the day that the Vatican massacred the Knights Templar. And we all wonder what other secrets are still in their vaults. Thanks!

:hi:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:55 AM
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2. Hi RG. I could only speculate why. Perhaps because it gets the Vatican off the hook and places all
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 06:57 AM by Dover

the blame for the death of the Templars on King Philip.
And I'm guessing the financial incentive had something to do with it too.

Maybe the Vatican did indeed only recently come across this 'misplaced' document.
Can't help but wonder about the timing. :hi:

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:40 AM
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6. timely, considering who you are dealing with.
i mean, look how long it took them to get to a decision on Galileo.

The USSR had 5 yr plans, and fudged the data.
this criminal organization has 50 year plans, and even 100 yr directives. (the jesuits also meet every 50 years to discuss their next steps, changes in their direction, and who to spy on next. I belive that China and Africa took up a lot of their meeting last time around, some 14 yrs ago or so)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:46 AM
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7. I hear India is on their target list.
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 08:49 AM by formercia
The boys have been moving a lot of money there and setting up shop.

Just think of all the people to lure into economic slavery, a big army and Nukes.

They can bleed that cow for generations.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:59 AM
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3. Those who represent the Knights Templar
gave the Vatican an ultimatum to apologize by 2007 for the destruction of the Knights Templar, the seizing of their lands and riches and giving them to the Knights of St. John (Knights of Malta).

Looks like the SMOM are going to have to give everything back.


Good timing I say.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:31 AM
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4. primitive banking system? Say what?
they managed to deal with interest, exchange rates, different currencies and huge distances (literally from the english channel, to all of the mediteranian, to the arabian ocean coastal areas of today's India) and they did it securely, safely and efficiently.

There is nothing primitive about that. They used codes, made a profit from a transaction fee, and dealt with the differences in currency and created each of those practices.

I boycott AOL, but have been following the story elsewhere. I understand that The Rat was the one who found and finally identified this document, and that now he is pope, he wanted to celebrate its unearthing from the catacombs of the vatican library.

I can only imagine what other human knowledge is being kept from humanity, deep within that building.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:33 AM
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5. A brief history of the Knights Templar
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/The_Amazing_Knights_Templar.html



The Amazing
Knights Templar

By David Hatcher Childress

The Knights Templar have been associated with all sorts of incredible activities including: having the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, a secret fleet that sailed the oceans, and an awe-inspiring self-confidence and courage that made their enemies shudder in fear.

Despite their fearsome, battle-hardened reputation, the Knights Templar were learned men, dedicated to protecting travellers and pilgrims of all religions, not just Christians. They were great statesmen, politically adept, economic traders, and they were apparently allied with the great sailor-fraternity that had created a worldwide trading empire in Phoenician times.

Despite a great deal of negative propaganda against the Templars at the time of their suppression, they are still known today as the preservers of knowledge and sacred objects. While the origins of the Knights Templar are said to go back to the building of King Solomon’s Temple by Phoenician masons from Tyre, or even the Great Pyramid and Atlantis, we trace their modern history from the Crusades period of the Middle Ages.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:46 PM
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8. K & R The Knights Templar have been interesting to me even before
The DaVinci Code came out. I just don't think the story about them being "wiped out" was ever credible. I knew some of them were tortured & killed, but they had their hands in too many stations of power, and there was no way in hell they were going to just vanish into obscurity.

The timing on this is rather strange, however, isn't it? I mean, looking at the world situation -- globalization -- which the Knights Templar were the first to build the global "economy".

:kick:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:15 PM
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9. This was "lost" for 400 years and ignored for 700 years because of a filing error?
Sounds like Rove and the "lost" 5,000 RNC-server emails to me, and other Bushite bullshit.

The Vatican archivist sounds glib and vague--full of words that say nothing. She says that the catalog entry was “too Spartan, too vague," "an error in how the document was described,” then--just like Alberto Gonzales, expanding like a hot air balloon, she adds, “More than an error, it was a little sketchy.” Notice how uninformative this is. Could be MSNBC's fault (dumbed down news), but I don't think so. I was raised on Vatican lies and have been struck, before this, by the similarity between Bushite and Vatican verbiage and secrecy.

So-o-o-o-o, what could be this rightwing Pope's purpose in rehabilitating the Knights Templar? The original purpose of the Knights Templars was to guard the lives and treasure of Crusader-pilgrims (i.e., occupiers) in the Middle East. They were a sort of ancient Blackwater--guards, escorts, mercenaries, who made up their own laws (rules of engagement--who they would or wouldn't kill, who they would or wouldn't protect), their own banking system, and their own transportation system (later turned rogue--the pirates' "skull and crossbones" derives from the Knights Templar and their later pirate ships) and were answerable to no one.

Bear in mind that the fascists who were in charge in Italy, just prior to the current leftist government, had very high-placed officials--such as the chief of intelligence--with close ties to the most rogue Neo-Cons, and other operatives--such as the notorious Iran-Contra arms dealer, Manucher Ghorbanifar--who are suspected of cooking up the Niger-Iraq nuke forgeries and other skulduggery for the Bushites, preparatory to the Iraq War. It's possible that these same fascisti now have considerable interests to protect in Iraq and the Middle East, or further interests that they want to acquire. The Vatican may be trying to create some religious coloration (myth, storytelling) as cover for rich Catholics' involvement in Blackwater/Halliburton-type crime--looting, war profiteering, torture, murder. In order to guard their own financial interests, the Vatican often provides religious mythology especially to rich Catholic men, to ease their consciences as to acts of atrocity against leftists, union organizers, the poor, liberal priests, atheists, Protestants, Pagans, Jews, Arabs, Persians, Muslims, communists, "witches," various European "heretics," and the leftist revolutionaries in Spain and in Latin America--for the acquisition and protection of property, and crushing of any political forces that could disturb or disempower big Church donors.

This is what I suspect in the curious "discovery" of this manuscript--that the Vatican wants to resurrect the Knights Templar for financial reasons (and not just the $8,377/each price on this limited edition manuscript). Rich American and European Catholics may be feeling more than a little disturbed, in their consciences, over Iraq, and South American Catholics may be feeling similar pangs of conscience over atrocities by rightwing paramilitaries in Colombia and Guatemala, in particular, and in Bushite/fascist plots throughout South America--all property and profit-related. The Vatican could be trying to keep the booty flowing into their collection plates by mythologizing these actions as the actions of "knights" (good guys) and holy warriors (a la St. Michael slaying the dragon).

I would very much like to know what the Knights Templar "heresy" was, and their "immorality." I am very interested in the Church's grossly unbalanced view of God, as a man and as a man who gave birth, in some mysterious way, to his own son. The Church's hostility to women is notorious, and their battle against Goddess worshipers is infamous and very bloody. Something went very wrong with Christianity starting (or consolidating itself) in the 5th century AD, when the male powermongers prevailed, with a policy of "baptism by the sword," the cementing of religious and state power, and the enforcement of one doctrine, dictated from Rome. This outrageously un-Christ-like institution that was created--the Roman Catholic Church--has, ever since, been sick with secrecy, with voodoo religious ceremony, with material wealth and with hatred of women, and with a desire to imprison both the human mind and human sexuality. This wrongful Christianity has led to wars and many other atrocities--including today's war on the Middle East and its atrocities--AND to the destruction of Mother Earth by global corporate predators who use Christianity as a weapon in their war profiteering arsenal.

It may be that there was nothing to the Knights Templars' so-called "heresy," and that it was simply a property grab by Phillip IV of Spain and by the Vatican (or by the Vatican, which is now blaming it on Phillip IV of Spain). But there also may well be a connection between the Templars and the Holy Grail story--the grail as Woman, bearer of the Blood, Goddess, Mary Magdalen. Prior to the Inquisition, Goddess worship was regarded as "immorality" (largely because Goddess temples were places of free sexuality and healing). During and after the Inquisition, it became a "heresy," because of the Christian Albigensians in France, who interpreted Christ's message differently than Rome, and much more in line with what Jesus actually preached. The Albigensians were egalitarian, well-educated, liberal and peaceful--and at least 200,000 of them were slaughtered in a Crusade instigated by Pope Innocent III (--what an ironic name!).

Several writers and anthropologists have connected the Templars to the Albigensian(or Cathar) movement, and to the origins (or development) of the Arthurian legends--which were most developed by French writers and troubadours--as containing a secret or several secrets, having to do with knowledge in general (astronomy, chemistry, medicine, architecture and engineering, the arts, etc.)--which the Church actively suppressed throughout most of its history--and with Mary Magdalen in particular, as a Goddess figure, and even as the bearer of Christ's child. Worship of Mary Magdalen was biggest in the Cathar (western) regions of France. One legend has it that Mary Magdalen fled to France, after the crucifixion and gave birth to Christ's child there (the legend used in "The Da Vinci Code"). Mary Magdalen--the literal bearer of the blood, the cup of the Holy Grail. The impact of these legends and ideas on knighthood was to imbue knighthood with worship of the ideal woman, and with very high ideals of protecting the weak and the poor, and cultivating the arts and learning. It was a civilizing influence.

The Templars were around for several centuries, and would have had time to become civilized men--not just mercenaries. Another legend is that they discovered something in the ruins of the Temple of Jerusalem--which was built not by the Jews, but by the Goddess-worshiping and very knowledgeable Phoenicians--which changed them. A secret. A treasure. The earliest Jewish Temples included Goddess worship and priestesses (sexual healers). Perhaps it was knowledge of the more balanced world of God and Goddess--and possibly also actual practical knowledge, like how to build the cathedrals in Europe--almost all of them built on Goddess sites, and named after one of the Mary's--knowledge that was passed down through the Masonic order, the builders' and craftmen's SECRET society, a trait--secrecy--that they may have picked up from the Phoenicians, who were very secretive about their maps and knowledge of astronomy, mathematics and navigation, and/or from the Templars themselves, who may well have been keeping secrets from Rome.

Secrecy. Throughout the Dark Ages--with the patriarchal, all-powerful, militant Church dominating human minds, sexuality, and property--it was very dangerous to know anything. Knowledge concerning the Church's greatest sin--its hatred of women and of the Goddess--would be the most dangerous knowledge of all.

Why would the Church revive the Templars? To co-opt the legend, impose a patriarchal veneer upon it, and put it to mercenary uses.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:50 PM
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11. I'll bring this up at the next parish council meeting.
Seriously dude, our biggest problem right now is that so many parishes are being merged due to the lack of priests. I won't deny that we have some wackos running around. After all, about 1/6 of the people in the world are Catholic. Trust me, we're too busy fussing with each other on how we should practice our faith to be planning world dominion.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:22 PM
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10. Pricey book.
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