Say it isn't so!

[babylonsister]

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/11105

Say it isn't so!
by Wagenvoord | Nov 19 2007

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Now, I wonder if they are that stupid. The idea of an attack on Iran is insane. If we did so, Iran would block the Straits of Hormuz, oil would spike to $200 a barrel, we would be saddled with a worldwide depression, and we could well be looking at World Ware III or IV, bur who in the hell is counting anymore.

What if this is what they want?

What if their every move is carefully calculated? What if they are making a deliberate attempt to generate a crisis of such proportions that Bush could use the chaos that ensued to declare martial law and assume dictatorial powers over the country? Think of the possibilities. While Americans were reeling from the shock of total war and another Great Depression, the administration could eliminate Social Security and Medicare, along with whatever remains of our shredded social net. With the stroke of a pen, America would become a totalized Corporatist State and her citizens would be mere employees of the State with all of the rights that corporate employees lack.

The would explain why Bush does things other politicians would consider suicidal, like vetoing a health and education bill because it was too expensive and, in the same breath, approving an increase in military spending. Bush can get away with it because he is not a politician, he is a CEO.

Many people believe that another Great Depression would usher in another New Deal. I had always thought so too. However, we forget that when the Great Depression struck, the only ideas lying around were those of John Maynard Keynes. Today, the only ideas lying around are those of Milton Friedman.

Do the math.

You see, my usual distrust of conspiracies has always been the inability of people to keep a secret. What frightens me about this one is that it is not a secret. All the details are out there for anyone to see; the lines connecting the dots are penciled in, but nobody seems to be looking at the page.

I hope to hell that I am wrong about this. However, if I am not, then the only antidote to this pending shock therapy is the immediate impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. Without that, we may be lost.

It is too bad our congress is a corporate employee.

[pacalo]

1. I do believe that is what they want. There's no other explanation that would be acceptable.

We can only look in horror as Congress continues to look the other way while the most "inept" administration, whose family tree has ties to Nazi Germany, leads this country to a fascist state. The only stand we see the opposition take is when it has to do with pride: keeping the Senate open at Thanksgiving to force the boy king to share the choice of nominations to government positions.

No talk of impeachment, which is the only rational choice.

[Prophet 451]

10. Not just "ties"

Prescott Bush was the Nazi's banker in the USA and, according to some reports, was neck-deep in an attempted fascist coup of the USA.

[Demeter]

2. I Just Think They Are Insane

They don't plan anything, just indulge themselves, like infants.

[babylonsister]

3. Dangerously so. And we have a whole lot of worrying left to do. nt

[superkia]

11. I believe the Bilderberg group exists for a reason and Im sure...

they all discuss every step of their plan for the worlds future, they no exactly what they are doing. Everyone seems to have this idea that if you have a D in front of your name, you are a good guy and would never do anything to further your career if it meant taking from the American people? They have successfully dumbed down America to the point of no return.

[nashville_brook]

13. there might be more than what's on the face of your comment --

Friedman's economics rewards their magical thinking -- that the magical creature, The Free Market, will take care of EVERYTHING if only we give it all the power it needs to do so -- and by "all the power it needs" they mean, "all the power there is."

they have convinced themselves that there's a good fairy that will come and make everything wonderful if we remove all the parental controls on society.

that is truly insane.

[tridim]

4. I have to assume Americans will attack the White House

if Cheney and the rest of BushCo invades Iran. That's just about the only hope that keeps me sane these days.

[Prophet 451]

9. Then expect martial law

If the people were to rise in large numbers, CheneyBush would declare martial law, count on it.

Whether the military would go along with it is another matter though.

[ClayZ]

14. The military might not go along with it,

but Blackwater would!

[Prophet 451]

16. Good point

Who needs a compliant military when you have hired merceneries.

[NoSheep]

self deleted.

[NoSheep]

20. I have a sticker that says: Support Our Troops-We Will Need Them to Overthrow our Government

Would they fight for OUR freedom? It's something to think about.

[Hydra]

5. It is so

and expect little to no resistance.

People just don't seem to care that they're already slated for the slaughterhouse.

"Don't do ______! It would disturb my comfortable lifestyle"

[Prophet 451]

6. Go further

You're on the right lines but take it further. The ability, know-how and resources to do Iraq "properly" (assuming you can count an illegal invasion as "proper") were there from day one. If the right people had been listened to, it would have been in, capture or kill Hussein, set up some form of unity government, bowl of soup, meaningful goodbye and home in perhaps three to four months. The people who knew Iraq gave the advice it would take to do that, gave a realistic projection of the cost and they were ignored (or fired in some cases). Why?

Arrogance? Perhaps but consider this: Bush, Cheney and in fact, most of the original Cabinet have close ties to the oil industry. How could the oil industries make money from Iraq? Divvying up and selling off the oil fields? Well, yes, that would make billions but would you like to know how to make (potentially) trillions? Don't sell them. Economics 101 says that if the availability of an in-demand commodity is restricted, the price will rise. Restrict the availability of oil and the price will go up. The oil companies aren't just passive re-sellers of oil. Via a complex system of profit-sharing agreements, their profits go up with the base price of oil. If you take Iraq's oil off the market, the price skyrockets and so do the profits made by the oil companies. Bush might be dumber than a concussed duckling but Cheney is lethally clever, he would have known all of this.

I contend that the invasion of Iraq was designed to fail, it was designed to plunge the country into civil war. If the country became orderly, Iraq would be able to start exporting it's 4-6 million barrels again, bringing the price down but by keeping Iraq in chaos, those barrels are removed from the market, tripling the price. And that's why all the sensible advice would be ignored, that's why Cheney would add oil to the Strategic Reserve while the price was at record highs. Because it pushes the price up.

You don't need a conspiracy for this, you just need Cheney. W has the emotional development of a ten year old, he'll do whatever he's told. The Cabinet (with one or two exceptions) were specifically chosen to be yes-men (and women, in Condi's case). Conspiracy means two or more people planning something illegal or unethical. You don't need two people for this. Just one man with knowledge of where the right levers are. A (deliberately) botched invasion of Iran would push the price even higher.

Of course, there's other benefits too: You mentioned a few of them like causing a depression as an excuse to destroy social services and, concievably, using the chaos to usher in martial law but there's others: Lucrative reconstruction and arms contracts to favoured companies (anyone know what Cheney is getting from Halliburton these days?); the opportunity to throw the USA's massively bloated military around with all the object lessons to teh rest of the world that entails; fun (I enjoy wargaming. If you're a sociopath with power, how much more fun would wargaming with real troops be?); the chance to exploit rally-round-the-flag patriotism; all the usual powers of a C-in-C during wartime and so on and so forth.

I honestly think that an attack on Iran (probably by air, there aren't enough troops to do so by ground) is unstoppable unless Cheney is removed from office. He's a clever man but, like many clever men, he overestimates his own cleverness and he's stubborn. Having committed himself mentally to a war with Iran, he will now not be convinced otherwise by anything short of his removal from the levers of power and/or imprisonment.

[rockybelt]

12. In 2005

Cheney was receiving appx. $200,000 a year in deferred income and had over 400,000 shares of Halliburton. He himself estimated his wealth at about 94 mil. I am assuming that has gone way up by now.

[Prophet 451]

15. Yeah, I think so

Assuming that Cheney still has his stock, I'd imagine his worth has risen by about 60%. Powerful incentive.

[pberq]

7. Yes! This is what they want - every move HAS been calculated

The incompetence theory has never made sense to me. They are actually VERY competent - it's just very hard to believe they are that evil.

[earth mom]

8. The goal is to destroy the USA and to usher in a North American Union.

They will do whatever it takes to control us all completely.

More here:
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

[99th_Monkey]

17. This is entirely consistent with US Rep. John Olver's take on it. What he told constituents...

was his reason for not pushing on the Congressional impeachment buttons.

Because if Congress DID start serious impeachment hearings, Bush would "declare a state of emergency, suspend the constitution and
impose martial law", perhaps with a false flag op to seal the deal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3738773&mesg_id=3738773

[L0oniX]

18. Iran will sink our fleet and then Bush will declare martial law and take over as the...

new American Hitler king.

[NoSheep]

19. I generally believe this is what they want. More power for the "executive".

And you are correct. It's not a secret. They're hiding in plain sight.

[Lerkfish]

21. oil companies do not make money on a SURPLUS of oil, only a shortage THEY control

"he who controls the spice, controls the universe"

the neocons have apparently read the Dune novels, because the want to CONTROL the flow of oil, intentionally dry it up and then rake in windfall profits until the oil actually runs out.