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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:47 PM
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Intelligence community learned from Iraq debacle
By Melvin A. Goodman
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.cia06dec06,0,915322.story

U.S intelligence agencies have concluded in a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in fall 2003 and that Tehran is now "less determined to develop nuclear weapons." The new findings will make it more difficult for the Bush administration to gain domestic and international support for the use of military force against Iran. The findings also will complicate efforts to arrange a third round of U.N. sanctions against Iran and could open the door to a policy of diplomatic engagement.

The new estimate comes at an important juncture in the bureaucratic battle between the White House and the Pentagon over the possible use of force against Tehran. President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have been making the case for military power, with the president warning in October that a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to World War III and the vice president promising "serious consequences" if Tehran did not abandon its nuclear program. Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney were aware of the new findings before they used their provocative language.

At the same time, senior military leaders have been arguing in public against the need for force against Iran, which they didn't do prior to the Iraq war. The new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen, and the commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, Adm. William J. Fallon, have sought to play down speculation about striking Iran's nuclear facilities. General officers in Iraq have noted that Iran has cooperated in stopping the flow of roadside bombs to Iraq and that Iraqi Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who has support from Iran, has begun to rein in his militia. Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates, though silent during these exchanges, must have lent tacit support.

The latest intelligence estimate indicates the intelligence community has learned some lessons from the Iraq debacle in 2002 and 2003, when it politicized the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction in order to support the administration's campaign for military action. Before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the CIA prepared a specious NIE on Iraqi WMD - a skewed, unclassified "white paper" that was circulated on Capitol Hill prior to the vote to authorize force against Iraq, and a flawed speech for then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell that was given at the United Nations a month before the war.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:53 PM
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1. they got tired of the mantra 'bad intel' that WH spunned after Iraq
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:11 PM
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2. Basically the CIA and Pentagon are telling Bush/Cheney to go fuck themselves
Presidents come and go, but these military and intel professionals are lifers, and they are fed up with being crassly
manipulated, then to add insult to injury, end up taking the blame when the very policies pushed through by Bush/Cheney
blow up in our faces.

Gen. Fallon: US is not attacking Iran, "NOT ON MY WATCH".

.. same General who called Patraeus an ass-kissing little chicken shit.
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dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:49 PM
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3. 'Intelligence community'
Funny that... I don't think it was ever the intelligence community that screwed up! It was Tenet and the other people at the top who were controlling the information and how it was used. THAT's the problem, and that's what this NIE's sudden release has indicated a departure from.

It wasn't an intelligence failure that got us into Iraq. It was stupid, greedy politicians.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 04:06 AM
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4. It's not smart to dump on the CIA
Poppy no doubt entertained his crime family with tales of CIA payback.
If junior hadn't been out cherry bombing frogs he might have learned enough to avoid this.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 04:28 AM
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5. That's what intelligence does, it learns. Its fucking infuriating when nobody listens.
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 04:29 AM by lvx35
I mean FUCK. Just think about it, this HUGE entity funded with all this money which nobody, NOBODY gets the benifit from except policy makes with clearance. And then the policy makers don't listen. Its like this giant brain which is connected and reports only to this little chicken brain which controls the body of Godzilla. Insanity.
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