Hillary or Nobody?

[Purveyor]

While the cool cat’s away, the Hillary mice will play.

As Barack Obama was floating in the pool with his daughters the last few days in St. Thomas, some Clinton disciples were floating the idea of St. Hillary as his vice president.

She can’t win without him, said one Hillary adviser, and he can’t win without her.

They’re stuck with each other.

It’s one of my favorite movie formulas, driving the dynamics in such classics as “A Few Good Men,” “The Big Easy” and “Guys and Dolls”: Charming, glib guy spars and quarrels with no-nonsense, driven girl, until they team up in the last reel. He spices up her life, and she stiffens his spine. And soon they hear the pitter-patter of little superdelegate feet, who are thrilled not to be pulled in two directions anymore.

And everybody’s happy. Or are they?

A couple of weeks ago, when Hill and Bill mentioned the possibility of a joint ticket, it was an attempt to undermine Obama and urge voters and superdelegates to put Hillary on top; the implication was that this was the only way Democrats could have both their stars, and besides, it was her turn. The precocious boy wonder had plenty of time.

But with the math not in her favor, her options running out, Bill Richardson running out and her filigreed narrative of dodging bullets in Bosnia and securing peace in Northern Ireland unraveling, could Hillary actually think the vice presidency is the best she’ll do?

---EOE---

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26dowd.html?hp

[AX10]

1. Dowd?

This is not a serious discussion.

[PSPS]

2. That's the truth. Dowd has made a career out of hating the Clintons.

This should be relegated to the GD-P sewer.

[Baby Snooks]

16. Hating them or just calling them on the carpet?

A lot of people call the Clintons on the carpet and most don't hate them. They just have no use for them. They are a pair of competely self-absorbed power-hungry and money-hungry con artists. Neo-con artists. The new Republicrats. They are frauds. Both of them.

Claiming in the beginning she wasn't just some woman standing by her man. Well that's exactly what she was doing. Because it served her own agenda as well as his and theirs. Later excusing his abuse of women on the basis that he was abused as a child. Poor baby. Let's all be nice to all the abusive men. We just need to love them a little bit more. Nauseating. And her campaign is reminiscent of Karl Rove. But then why shouldn't it be? She is probably who the Bushes secretly support. And Karl Rove is probably secretly running her campaign.

I lost all respect for Gloria Steinhem because of Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is not the modern woman. Nor an example for the modern woman.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. They're posting a lot of RW and hate-site crap lately.

Why the hell are they so desperate if the guy has already won?

--p!

[emilyg]

7. Good question.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Good stuff, this time around.

[tularetom]

5. She has a better chance of becoming McCain's VP choice IMO

The way she's been kissing his ass she might have the inside track over Joe Loserman for that job.

[BattyDem]

6. I've asked this question before, but I will ask it again:

How can Obama have a VP on the ticket who praised the GOP candidate over him? Someone who, either directly or through surrogates, has questioned his experience, his electability, his integrity, his patriotism, his religion, his church, his "readiness on Day 1" and has repeatedly ridiculed his message of hope and change. Can you imagine the ads the GOP would run? Every one of them would feature Hillary criticizing Obama - the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate criticizing the Democratic Presidential candidate, with the tagline: "If his own VP doesn't believe in him, why should you?"

Of course, GOP ads with Hillary attacking Obama are going to happen anyway ... but the impact would be far worse if she was on the ticket as his VP.


edited: typo :blush:

[emilyg]

8. She wouldn't agree to Vp.

[MaraJade]

9. I hope that she never agrees to VP with Obama. . .and I used to think this was a good idea. . .

His followers are so disrespectful and prideful that she should simply reject him.

My prayer is that she becomes his worst enemy in the Congress and stonewalls everything he does.
(And she can). He needs to be brought down a notch. He's well meanaing but not very bright
and I hope she joins in picking him to pieces IF he becomes President. But according to what I
am hearing, his chances are slim as Repugs and Independents will abandon him in the GE.

Any Obamaites who are laboring under the DREAM that Hillary supporters will flock to Obama's side
after the lousy treatment we have received from Obama supporters are smoking herb.

[cyclezealot]

10. its beginning to look both are damaged goods.

To save the country and Party how about going back to Draft Al Gore. We can't afford no losers with lots of baggage to carry.

[Orrex]

12. No losers? No baggage?

The media would assail Gore as the returning loser with close to a decade of pro-environment (and therefore anti-American-economy) baggage.

No one attacked Gore more viciously than Dowd, so it's ironic that you'd repeat the call for his drafting in a thread kicked off by another in a long line of mindless Dowd-screeds.

[cyclezealot]

13. Hope you are right

I suggest the 527's will have a field day with Rev. Wright.

[Orrex]

14. Well, if Wright is Obama's biggest liability, I'm not worried (nt)

[cyclezealot]

15. I fear the country still has a

racist hangover. I'd like your optimism and hope my cynicism to be wrong.

[Warpy]

11. Dowd is all over the map, politically speaking

When she's good, she's good. This looks like something she wrote because a deadline was approaching and she couldn't think of a better topic.

As for a VP pick, Edwards would do it for either of them, make an irresistible ticket with a centrist at the top and someone speaking progressive rhetoric to balance it.

Of course, if Clinton gets the nod she's going to have to lose that DLC campaign team if she wants to win.