Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Prince of Darkness Denies Own Existence

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:17 PM
Original message
Prince of Darkness Denies Own Existence

by Dana Milbank

Listening to neoconservative mastermind Richard Perle at the Nixon Center yesterday, there was a sense of falling down the rabbit hole.

In real life, Perle was the ideological architect of the Iraq war and of the Bush doctrine of preemptive attack. But at yesterday's forum of foreign policy intellectuals, he created a fantastic world in which:

1. Perle is not a neoconservative.

2. Neoconservatives do not exist.

3. Even if neoconservatives did exist, they certainly couldn't be blamed for the disasters of the past eight years.

"There is no such thing as a neoconservative foreign policy," Perle informed the gathering, hosted by National Interest magazine. "It is a left critique of what is believed by the commentator to be a right-wing policy."

So what about the 1996 report he co-authored that is widely seen as the cornerstone of neoconservative foreign policy? "My name was on it because I signed up for the study group," Perle explained. "I didn't approve it. I didn't read it."

Mm-hmm. And the two letters to the president, signed by Perle, giving a "moral" basis to Middle East policy and demanding military means to remove Saddam Hussein? "I don't have the letters in front of me," Perle replied.

Right. And the Bush administration National Security Strategy, enshrining the neoconservative themes of preemptive war and using American power to spread freedom? "I don't know whether President Bush ever read any of those statements," Perle maintained. "My guess is he didn't."

continued>>>
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/02/20-5
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:26 PM
Response to Original message
1. But remember they kept us safe what ever they call themselves
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 12:26 PM by county worker
:sarcasm:

The denial of the last 8 years by the right is really something to behold! Whether it is freepers saying Bush kept us safe or free market devotees wanting more deregulation and lower taxes on the wealthy it's just so predictable. At least they have to acknowledge that it was one big cluster fuck to have to live in denial like they do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:41 PM
Response to Original message
2. He even admitted the war was illegal!!!
It's like these guys forget the internet exists. Dumb asses.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
3. I read this article this morning. AMAZING the degree of denial. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
4. Ooh, such lack of self esteem!
I guess he just doesn't consider himself a Perle of great price. ;-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:44 PM
Response to Original message
5. Yes, but when did Dana Milbank ever talk about this
sense of being in Wonderland several years back? Perle and his nutcase chickenhawk friends haven't changed one iota. And they never will.

I'm glad that some in the MSM seem to be doing some actual reporting these days. But Milbank and others failed us most when it counted most.

Lest we forget ... :rant:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:18 AM
Response to Original message
6. I SO wish someone wd do a Jon Stewart on this: What He Says NOW vs. What He Said THEN.
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 02:19 AM by snot
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 05:48 AM
Response to Original message
7. K & R.
Perle's deceptions

<snip>

I was struck by Perle's smoothness and dishonesty. So many things were deceptive about his statements. His insistence that Bush had done the thinking on Iraq is deceptive; Perle knows that Bush doesn't know how to think. And if our enemy is really the people who would blow up women and children to achieve their political goals, then our enemy is Sunnis in Iraq (who are now part of the government we're supporting) and lots of other people too. Suicide bombing was used first against the U.S. and France in Lebanon. Then it spread to Israel, and also to Sri Lanka.
But Perle focused only on Israel. This betrayed the neoconservative obsession with Israel; because the neocons are by and large Zionists.

Blaming the neocons for Iraq is a conspiracy theory, Perle said (per the Washington Post). And I accept that: I believe the neocons functioned in a conspiratorial manner. One hallmark of their conspiracy was their failure to be transparent about their real concerns, concerns they nonetheless have revealed in countless ways (such as when they urged war on Iraq in 2002 because Israel is "an island of liberal, democratic principles -- American principles -- in a sea of tyranny, intolerance, and hatred"). Jim Lobe more than anyone has labored to expose that hidden agenda. And that's my clearest impression of the event. Years after the Iraq disaster, and Lobe asks honest questions, and Perle plays an intellectual shell game...http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/jim-lobe-damn-near-pins-tough-richard-perle-in-the-latest-round-of-neocon-evasions.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 06:09 AM
Response to Original message
8. Guess not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:30 AM
Response to Original message
9. History has a well known liberal bias
A corollary to "reality has a well known liberal bias".

When Repugs don't like the way things went down, they just make up an alternative version ... problem solved!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
10. Another victim of the vast left wing conspiracy...
and the liberal M$M.

Teh Poor Republic Fascists. :nopity:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
11. Can't spell denial without LIE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:24 PM
Response to Original message
12. This recession has hit some people hard, but by the sound of it, i think he is having a meltdown!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:31 PM
Response to Original message
13. They didn't read or do the homework; they don't even know where it is now ...
... so there's no justification for giving them an "F".

Bizarro World to powers of ten!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 03:56 AM
Response to Original message
14. Creepy and crazy, nazi-like and Mafia-like. The audacity of authoritarian monsters continues to
amaze.

And that is why they keep winning, even when they "lose".

Same old story. Those who fell back before the Will of the Caesars and Hitler would understand our predicament.

Our Congressional Democrats would understand the terror of Sejanus, now modified into a kinder and gentler and plausibly deniable form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejanus

May God help us for what is inevitably coming, be it sooner or later. Maybe Obama can tuirn it around, but it doesn't even look like he is trying, other than on a cosmetic level.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 06:37 AM
Response to Original message
15. Couldn't we just deport him to Israel?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 04:55 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC