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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:23 AM
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Can Obama curb offshoring with tax code?
Experts say no, because the real draw is the low cost of skilled labor in places like India

May 4, 2009 (Computerworld) WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama today unveiled tax code changes that he said could curb offshoring, but analysts and tax experts believe the plan will have little or no impact on the megatrend that threatens as many as one in four IT jobs at large companies.

The criticism boils down to this: It isn't the tax code that created the offshore outsourcing industry over the last decade; it's the low cost of highly skilled labor.

Obama didn't address the wage gap today, but he is arguing that the tax code has played a contributing role in the growth of offshoring, and that includes the outsourcing of jobs for highly skilled professionals.

In his remarks, he cited a major Indian IT outsourcing center, Bangalore, as one of the places that has benefited from tax loopholes. The U.S. has developed "a tax code that says you should pay lower taxes if you create a job in Bangalore, India, than if you create one in Buffalo, N.Y.," Obama said.

These tax loopholes give companies that create jobs overseas the ability to take deductions on expenses "when they do not pay any American taxes on their profits," he said.

The proposed tax changes, which must be approved by Congress, may affect IT vendors that run subsidiaries overseas by denying deductions for offshore payments on things like payroll expenses, said Alan Appel, a tax attorney at Bryan Cave LLP in New York.

"By denying the deduction, the hope is that it will be more expensive to operate offshore and it will give incentives to create jobs in the U.S," Cave said.

The proposed tax code change is about as close as the White House has come to addressing the issue of IT offshoring. Whether the administration addresses the use of the H-1B visa, which is heavily used by Indian outsourcers, is still a question mark.

Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, said last week that the U.S. should increase the supply of foreign workers and said that the H-1B cap is keeping wages high by protecting U.S. workers from global competition and creating a "privileged elite" in the U.S.

The major motivation for moving work overseas is the difference between salaries in the U.S. and overseas. A job that pays $100,000 here may cost only one-sixth that amount in India, said Peter Bendor-Samuel, CEO of Everest Group, an outsourcing consultancy in Dallas.

"If there is a tax consequence here, it's de minimis to the overall impact" of outsourcing, Bendor-Samuel said. In any case, he said, "this idea that people are doing outsourcing to avoid taxes is simply wrong."

Sang Kim, a partner in the international tax practice at East Palo Alto, Calif., office of law firm DLA Piper, also said he doubts that the legislation will impact outsourcing. "The argument is that it should stem the flow of jobs leaving the U.S., but the reality is I don't think the jobs are moving outside the U.S because of tax policy," Kim said.

If anything, the tax code changes could accelerate the flow of jobs overseas to offset the larger tax bite, he said.

Kim said there could be unforeseen consequences to the tax changes. A foreign country could, for instance, offer subsidies to U.S. companies to create jobs as a way of mitigating any tax impact, he said.

The Hackett Group Inc., a business consultancy whose clients include many multinational companies, reviewed data collected from 200 companies and found that at companies with revenues of at least $5 billion, as many as one quarter of IT jobs will be moved offshore by 2010.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9132540
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:29 AM
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1. Changing the tax code CAN work
But it requires the political will to also use the old tariff system to offset the benefits of (ab)using third world labor in the final cost of goods.

If we want to rebuild our manufacturing base we dont have much choice.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:30 AM
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2. That highly skilled labor turned me off of Microsoft for good.
Edited on Tue May-05-09 11:34 AM by Deja Q
I loved their products. Loved their services. Loved finding bugs that they said wouldn't be fixed until the next product VERSION (meaning more $$$ for them and my customers getting pissed because the bug doesn't show in IE but shows in other browsers and Microsoft bought this app from another company, they didn't even make it themselves -- they can't even buy code and do it right!).

I loved losing data in pre-SP1 Vista (SP1 fixed a lot, but geez louize...)

I love reactivating just because I upgraded my hardware BIOS to add compatibility...

I loved telling them "it's on one computer, this is the situation".

I love a platform that requires exorbitant amounts of horsepower in order to be "just useful". It's stable but the system requirements are asinine and unnecessary. The Mac finally convinced me of that reality, which really is reality.

:sarcasm:

:shrug:


Wake me when companies whine that nobody in America is buying anymore and go under and need taxpayers to foot their goldplated spas and hookers...



Oh, there are bugs in every platform. Microsoft just seems more welcoming and encouraging to avoid their responsibility to their customers; for investors and speculators don't care -- until people stop buying, how novel an idea is that?

It's sick. Everyone is told to have ethics and morals and do things right. Except them. Microsoft sells Windows 2000 by letting its own ads attack its own Windows 95 product... (Granted, that was from 9 years ago but no other company could be so bloody irresponsible and surive. And since XP, things have REALLY gone downhill. They should be embarrassed over their Microsoft Garbage(tm).)

I know Windows has some positive points, but they're harder to acknowledge with each passing day.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:41 AM
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3. I don't know, but I'm willing to let him test it
but one thing the government could do is only buy products or contract for services which are performed locally.

I think I read the Florida's unemployment services is performed in India. Does that may the slightest bit of sense?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:43 AM
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4. You're right. "Florida food stamp jobs in India aggravate recipients, officials"
Florida food stamp jobs in India aggravate recipients, officials

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=441293
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:56 AM
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5. Thanks for the research.
I think even though its the food stamps and not the unemployment service, its still the same cluelessness.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:08 PM
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6. Did Obama say this was going to stop offshoring?
Or just make the tax code more fair against those who do?
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