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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:10 AM
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F--- You, Democrats

I've had it. I'm done. I have reached my limit on capitulation, corporatism, cronyism, and stupid.

The Democratic Party is facing a do-or-die moment. It has a supermajority control of the legislature, and, oh yeah, the White House. There is nothing the Democratic Party should not be able to accomplish.

If it wants to.

National, socialized -- yeah, socialized -- health care meets every supposed ideal of the Democratic Party:

Affordable, Quality Health Care Coverage for All Americans? Check.

We believe that quality and affordable health care is a basic right.

THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL PLATFORM

But instead of delivering its promises, the Democratic party is now being held hostage by the insurance industry, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, the mouth-breathing, half-literate, flat-earther wingnut screamers who want government to stay out of their Medicare.

And I have fucking had it.

Angry Mouse's diary :: :: Let's just take a look at some other pretty talk the Democratic party gave us last year, when it needed our money and our hard work and our votes.

We will end the outrage of unaffordable, unavailable health care...

But generating truly shared prosperity is only possible if we also address our most significant long-run challenges like the rising cost of health care, energy,and education.

From health care to pensions, from unemployment insurance to paid leave, we need to modernize our policies in order to provide working Americans the tools they need to meet new realities and challenges.

In meeting after meeting, people expressed moral outrage with a health care crisis that leaves millions of Americans–including nine million children–without health insurance and millions more struggling to pay rising costs for poor quality care.

Ensuring quality, affordable health care for every single American is essential to children’s education, workers’ productivity and businesses’ competitiveness. We believe that covering all is not just a moral imperative, but is necessary to making our health system workable and affordable. Doing so would end cost-shifting from the uninsured,promote prevention and wellness, stop insurance discrimination, help eliminate health care disparities, and achieve savings through competition, choice, innovation, and higher quality care. While there are different approaches within the Democratic Party about how best to achieve the commitment of covering every American, with everyone in and no one left out, we stand united to achieve this fundamental objective through the legislative process.

A moral imperative.

And yet there is a loud voice of those in our party who believe that the real imperative is to protect the insurance industry instead of the people. The insurance industry doesn't need a seat at the table; it needs to be put out of business completely because it is immoral -- yeah, immoral -- to profit from denying health care to people in need.

Is the Democratic Party better than the Republican Party? Yeah. The Democratic Party does not embrace its most violent, paranoid, pathologically dishonest "leaders" (a.k.a., bloggers and talk show hosts). Cindy Sheehan did not become the face of the Democratic Party back during the dark days of the Bush years.

And remember the amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, tsk-tsking MoveOn.org's ad about General "Betray Us" ?

To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces

That passed with the enthusiastic votes of an awful lot of Democrats.

The Republicans don't do that. They celebrate stupidity. They embrace violence. They bow in fear to a man who wants the president to fail. They even bow in fear to the tens of angry bloggers and teabaggers who think that President Obama's birth certificate, birth announcements in two local newspapers, and plenty of testimony doesn't prove a thing about where the president was born.

So yes, the Democrats are better than the Republicans.

But not by much.

That's not to condemn the entire party. Because there are a lot of good people in the Democratic Party. There are a lot of voices in the House and Senate who speak truth to power, even from the inside of those oh-so-hallowed walls of power.

They can stay.

But the others? The ones who are selling us out? The ones who are bending over for Sarah Palin's Facebook page?

Well, I've got one message for you:


FUCK YOU.


I may not be your biggest contributor, but I'm fairly certain I'm not alone. All those calls I made last fall, even for the down-ticket Democrats I didn't like very much? All those small online donations I made every time you asked me to?

Yeah, well, that ain't gonna happen again.

You told us you needed control of Congress in order to stop the Republicans. Fine. We gave it to you.

But that wasn't enough, because then you said you needed 60 seats in the Senate. Fine. We gave that to you too.

Never mind that George Bush was able to completely remake America with a fucking minority in Congress, and then a tiny little sliver of a majority. You need huge numbers to be able to stand up to those oh-so-scary Republicans? Fine. You got 'em.

But now? Now you have to take your marching orders from the idiots who literally think "end of life care" means "kill granny"? Are you fucking kidding me? Do you not realize that this ridiculous capitulation gives them all the power and further motivation they need to keep calling you with death threats, vandalizing your offices, and screaming in your faces?

Stop pretending the opposition has valid points to make. It doesn't. Stop pretending that their lies and distortion have any place in this discussion. They don't. Stop acting as if continued sacrifices to the screamers will end with a bipartisan bill. It won't.

Get it right, Democrats, and get it done. Or I'm done with you.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/13/759542/-FYou,-Democrats
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:11 AM
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1. why take a whole diary..
from Kos and post it here?
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:55 AM
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8. Not sure why n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:57 AM
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9. I would think if the diarist..
wanted it posted here they would do it themselves. Or maybe this is the diarist? Hope so. Not very nice, otherwise.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:12 AM
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2. Sure DOES make you wonder, doesn't it? What are all of them trying to hide?
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:14 AM
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3. IOW, every Democrat has to believe and vote exactly as you do.
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 09:15 AM by kegler14
Good luck with that. Maybe you need to form the Angry Mouse Party and require that every member follow you in lockstep. Oh, and make sure they all use lots of unnecessary obscenities when they talk or write.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:49 AM
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7. AAAAAAAARRRGHHH! I've HAD IT with the acronyms! What the hell is "IOW", and
how much harder could it have been to type it all out?
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:58 AM
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11. IOW -- in other words -- is one of the oldest and most common of the initialisms.
I'd bet 95 percent or more of the people here know what it means. When you type a lot, using acronyms makes life much, much easier. BTW (by the way), it's easy to find an acronym/abbreviation/initialism dictionary online.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 06:27 PM
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21. Some of us prefer English.
Sorry, but as much as I post, BTW and IMO (IMHO) are about the limit. We're not tweens on twitter. Can you imagine the uproar if someone typed "OBAMA" without thinking (about context) long and hard first?
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texanshatingbush Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:33 AM
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4. "It has a supermajority control of the legislature" - not really
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 09:37 AM by texanshatingbush
It has a supermajority of members with a "D" behind their name, but not a supermajority of votes it can deliver at-will. Angry Mouse overstates the reality.

That's why finesse is required.

And, frankly, I'm glad we have a deft and experienced "community organizer" leading us. With a kick-ass strategist by his side.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:39 AM
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5. Right now he's doing a piss-poor job of organizing
seriously they could have rammed through EVERY proposal, if he was a decent organizer that is.

we have a politician -D in the office, sadly nothing more.

I wish we did.

but we liberals, progressives.... we have lots. and it's time to consider jumping ship and leaving the uss america to sink =<[br />
we lost, and so has our country.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:59 AM
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12. RAMMED through every proposal. Sorry, that's not what i want to see.
The Republicans did that and look what it got us. I guess that makes me a wimp.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:07 AM
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14. They got things accomplished... evil as it may have been
and we are getting NOTHING done!

lets face it the only reason Obama is able to get anything done right now is because of left over powers * had, such as the stimulus.

But health care... this is WHY the dems were voted in and FLIPPED the senate, not just took majority, but a REAL super majority!

and I know... 6 months, but it's the most important 6 months for getting anything done!

I do understand that we have to be patient, that it takes time, but the majority of Americans - lets be honest - are idiots!

Yes, yes, too busy surviving to read up on everything... but 30 minutes a day, they could take just 30 minutes a day, and they don't.

The momentum from the massive overturn is over. they lost what mandate they could have pushed...

and we are in teh majority, all we have to do is convince out OWN people, not them.... so why are we equivocating anything to the gop?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 11:25 AM
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20. I disagree with "waging war on the conservative base"
You must agree that Bernie Sanders is one of the "good" dems.

Look how he handles this guy, who it's safe to say is part of the conservative base. Bernie certainly doesn't "put the hurt on him" or "wage war" on him:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x353817#top
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leftinportland Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:26 PM
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23. except he's not a dem
Bernie Sanders is the independent senator from Vermont who managed to be continually re-elected as a congressman, appealing to both liberal and conservatives, by telling it like it is. His congressional district included high percentage of conservatives - and they love him! That's what happens when you tell the straight up truth to your constituents. Most dems are afraid to do it.
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texanshatingbush Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:00 AM
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13. Just because Repukes are going nuts doesn't mean we have to be.....
Don't be taken in by this extremist 'Puke lot.

Howard Dean said it yesterday on Olbermann: remember that all this noise from the right is coming from a base that's ever-decreasing in size, and ever-increasing in extremism.

No reason for the Democrats to go down that road. Let's continue to conduct the business of this country in an intelligent manner, rather than by screaming falsehoods and knee-jerk reaction.

Consider that there are very few Repuke congressmen left who have NOT given in to fear mongering-by-falsehoods from extremists. The silent majority in this country is aware of the false fear mongering, and will act when appropriate.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:17 AM
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17. Community organizing (nothing wrong with that) skills aren't enough. You know going in that you're
going to get pushback on this. Congress is a hell of a community to try and organize! Good luck with that.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:21 AM
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19. It's a big tent. I doubt if he/she will have enough time for "f......ing" all of us! n.t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:42 AM
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6. ok
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 09:57 AM
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10. I'm just posting this as an example of the tone after the public option gets..

thrown under the bus. Which is what I'm anticipating at this point. I watched Bill Clinton's speech last night and his plea to stand behind the healthcare bill no matter what was a sign of things to come. Clinton's very smart and he probably knows what's going to happen.

I don't think we should do anything stoopid like stay home next election but I do think we need to re-organize. The "bi-partisan" strategy is killing me. It was completely stoopid. Which I bitched about months ago. What a bad call. Unbelievable. I don't know who's responsible for such a stoopid idea but whoever is needs to be drummed out of the Dem leadership forever.

What I concerned about now is how to re-organize from the bottom up to put the hurt on the conservative base. Especially their "armed wing" and their fifth columns in the police and military forces.

We need long range plans to deal with this group of people. They're standing in the way of the future and that's totally unacceptable.

Of course, we are not going to be able to get our Dems to help. We can't even win anything with a super majority.

We're just going to have to do it ourselves.

My idea about getting help from consumers in other countries has promise. In a globalized world, conservative employees who want to kill all your customers is a big mistake. If that is ever focused on and the companies who hire conservatives are punished for their human garbage workforces change will come quick.

Also. Since the over 65 crowd is insisting on supporting the most vile racist crap using "socialism" as an excuse we could do Medicare reform ourselves. Cutting benefits to seniors who can afford to pay but don't cause they'd rather be on "socialism" then scream about it.

In other words we need to wage war on the conservative base and keep at it until we win all the way.

There are hundreds of things we can do but waiting for our elected leaders to do anything is a waste of time. It's obvious they won't help.

I do agree with Clinton on one thing. Losing is not an option. We could start registering people to vote now to get ready for 2010. I don't want to lose any seats. But if we lose some Bluedogs so what. They weren't any help anyway.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:21 AM
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18. We can't get 51 out of 60 Dem senators to support public option?
What gives? :shrug:
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 07:47 PM
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22. I was
listening to Howard Dean tonight with Olbermann and he has no doubt the public option WILL be in the final bill so I'm not real worried about it being thrown under the bus.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:09 AM
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15. Thank you well said. ignore the distracted nit-picker posts here.
It may be time to form a new party.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:15 AM
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16. And another thing I think has gone wrong and has to be dealt with is the MEDIA
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 10:15 AM by Joanne98
Started their crap to bring down Obama's poll numbers right from the very beginning. They helped the Republicans fuel racist hate for the first black president by allowing them to bald face lie on their shows just sitting there like potted plants letting them say ANYTHING no matter how ridiculous it was.

The MSM was a willing partner in this and there's absolutely no doubt about it.

There needs to be a major shakeup in the executive suites in the MSM. All the fuckers involved in this need to be fired. Clean out the top. Make them pay for this it's their fault too.

Which won't be hard because they've thrown their readers away since they helped the right. Conservatives don't read newspapers if they haven't noticed. They're committing suicide so it won't be hard to push them over the edge. I'm going to start looking for LW websites dedicated to ranting about the media to help fuck with them.

We need a time line. Starting from right after Jan 20th till now. I know MM has one but it needs to be short and easily readable. I might make one myself.

Getting rid of the little RW agents in the MSM who pretend to be "fair" should be at the top of the agenda from now on.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:22 PM
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24. No need to apologize for posting this, Joanne 98. As far as I'm concerned it's exactly
right. There have been times, including right now, that I could've written this from my own anger and frustration with the Democratic party.

After 40 years supporting Democrats, sending money to Democrats, voting Democratic, and watching us get our asses kicked by a bunch of junk-yard dog Republican yokels I'm ready for that CHANGE President Obama promised me and my fellow Americans. But I'm not holding my breath. With fellow Democrats like Max Baucus, Arlen Sphincter, Kent Conrad, and the Blue Cross Dogs for friends, we don't need enemies.

Recommend.


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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 10:30 PM
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25. "If it wants to"
I'm with you.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 11:31 PM
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26. K&R.
I agree. After years of working my ass off, donating money, working campaigns, and being an activist, I'm ready to start playing golf.

When our new majority voted to continue funding the Iraq War, I resigned my DEC post. The next outrage was FISA. I switched over to "No Party Affiliation" in protest. I told the DCCC and the DSCC that they get no more money from me, because they're just going to give it to another DLC'er or Blue Dog, and screw another progressive.

I almost switched back to being a "D" this week. Then they started fucking with the public option. So much for that idea. And I almost filed to run for office again, but after a week of consultations, it was obvious that the party would support the DLC'er.

Fuck 'em.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 01:18 AM
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27. Some good points, but equating Cindy Sheehan with "most violent, paranoid, pathologically dishonest"
shows a dishonesty and lack of judgment that diminishes them.

"Is the Democratic Party better than the Republican Party? Yeah. The Democratic Party does not embrace its most violent, paranoid, pathologically dishonest "leaders" (a.k.a., bloggers and talk show hosts). Cindy Sheehan did not become the face of the Democratic Party back during the dark days of the Bush years."

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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 02:25 AM
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28. I like Cindy and she was right then and is still right now.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 02:25 AM
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29. As I've said before... "If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything."
And that pretty much describes enough of those we've allegedly elected to "represent" us that the whole fucking mess has become "like a box of chocolates."

Who knows what we'll get? Not me. And not you either.

But it won't be a fucking pony.
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