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sweetroxie Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:31 PM
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Two Retired Generals Denounce Former VP Cheney
It’s not every day that retired generals denounce a Vice President. But two distinguished military leaders felt compelled to speak out against Mr. Cheney’s support of torture, in an op-ed in today’s Miami Herald. (full article below)


General Charles C. Krulak and General Joseph P. Hoar have this to say:

In the fear that followed 9/11, Americans were told that defeating Al Qaeda would require us to “take off the gloves.” As a former Commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps and a retired Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Central Command, we knew that was a recipe for disaster. But we never imagined that we would feel duty-bound to publicly denounce a Vice President of the United States, a man who has served our country for many years. In light of the irresponsible statements recently made by former Vice President Dick Cheney, however, we feel we must repudiate his dangerous ideas – and his scare tactics.

Fear was no Excuse to Condone Torture

By Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar

In the fear that followed 9/11, Americans were told that defeating Al Qaeda would require us to “take off the gloves.” As a former Commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps and a retired Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Central Command, we knew that was a recipe for disaster. But we never imagined that we would feel duty-bound to publicly denounce a Vice President of the United States, a man who has served our country for many years. In light of the irresponsible statements recently made by former Vice President Dick Cheney, however, we feel we must repudiate his dangerous ideas – and his scare tactics.

We have seen how ill-conceived policies that ignored military law on treatment of enemy prisoners hindered our ability to defeat al Qaeda. We have seen American troops die at the hands of foreign fighters recruited with stories about tortured Muslim detainees at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. And yet Mr. Cheney and others who orchestrated America’s disastrous trip to “the dark side” continue to assert – against all evidence -- that torture “worked” and that our country is better off for having gone there.

In an interview with Fox News Sunday, Mr. Cheney applauded the “enhanced interrogation techniques” -- what we used to call war crimes because they violated the Geneva Conventions, which the U.S. instigated and has followed for sixty years. Mr. Cheney insisted the abusive techniques were “absolutely essential in saving thousands of American lives and preventing further attacks against the United States.” He claimed they were “directly responsible for the fact that for eight years, we had no further mass casualty attacks against the United States. It was good policy... It worked very, very well.”

Repeating these assertions doesn’t make them true. As more of the record emerges, we now see that the best intelligence – that led to the capture of Sadaam Hussein and the elimination of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi—was produced by professional interrogations using non-coercive techniques. When the abuse began, prisoners told interrogators whatever they thought would make it stop.

The U.S. military has always known that torture is as likely to produce lies as the truth. And it did.

What American leaders say matters. So when it comes to light, as it did last week, that U.S. interrogators staged mock executions and held a whirling electric drill close to the body of a naked, hooded detainee, and the former Vice President of the United States winks and nods, it matters.

There's more. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=134721376617&ref=mf

Full text of the op-ed:
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/other-views/story/1227832.html
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:35 PM
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1. It's Actions Like These That Draw My Respect for Our Military
The courage it takes to go against the greatest evil of our time has not completely disappeared. I salute these men, and the Wilsons of the CIA spy outing, and any other who takes on BFEE and their lackeys.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:35 PM
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2. Good for them! As they say, truth will out. nt
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:56 PM
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3. enthusiastic K&R nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:10 PM
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4. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, sweetroxie.
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Dr_Willie_Feelgood Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 07:48 AM
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5. I hate that we HAVE to have a military...
...and I am proud that most of the men and women serving are honorable individuals.

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