No Indian university among world's best 100, Harvard tops the list

[OhioChick]

PTI 8 October 2009, 10:37pm IST

LONDON: None of the Indian universities figure among the top 100 varsities of the world, with America and UK dominating the scene, says a report
published on Thursday.

America's Harvard University has retained its top position in 2009 while UK's Cambridge University has moved up from third to second position. Yale University of US has slipped one position to third.

According to the QS/Times Higher Education rankings, the University College London (UCL) leapfrogged Oxford University as the latter slipped from fourth to joint fifth position along with Imperial College, London.

Overall, the UK still punches above its weight, second only to the US, the report said. It has four out of the top 10 slots and 18 in the top 100.

The number of Asian universities in the list of top 100 has increased from 14 to 16. The University of Tokyo, at 22, is the highest ranked Asian university, ahead of the University of Hong Kong that stands at 24.

Leading UK universities said institutions in Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong were "snapping at the heels" of western institutions, arguing they need more funding to compete on the global stage.

However, there has been a significant fall in the number of North American universities in the top 100, from 42 in 2008 to 36 this year.

The rankings are based on an international survey of 9,000 academics who assessed the institutions' research facility, teaching quality and ability to recruit staff and students abroad.

"The broad message of these tables is clear - the leading UK research universities are held in high esteem internationally but countries like China and Korea, which are investing massively in their best institutions, are snapping at our heels" Wendy Piatt, director general of the Russell Group of universities said.

Piatt said the UK was less well-funded than its competitors and if public spending cuts hit budgets they would be under increasing pressure.

Universities are currently arguing for improved funding in a forthcoming review of the student finance system, to be launched by the government within weeks. They are calling for fees to be increased to safeguard the quality of teaching.

The top 10 Universities are: Harvard (US), Cambridge (UK), Yale(US), UCL, London (UK), Imperial College, London and Oxford (both UK, joint 5), Chicago (US), Princeton (US), MIT, Massachusetts (US) and California Institute of Technology (US).

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-Indian-university-among-worlds-best-100-Harvard-tops-the-list/articleshow/5102364.cms

Hmmm.....

[bbinacan]

1. So what's your point? n/t

[Orangeone]

12. Op dislikes India nt

[OhioChick]

13. How so? Oh...Do enlighten me. n/t

[Orangeone]

14. I've noticed you post a lot of anti-India stuff

Are you bitter about losing a job to outsourcing? If so, you should blame the American company that wanted cheaper labor.

[OhioChick]

18. "anti-India stuff?"

From an Indian news source? :rofl:

A blue collar worker can complain about their work being shipped to China, but white collar workers can't complain about theirs being shipped to India? You are kidding me, right?

Get over yourself. I do blame the U.S. corporations, yes I do, indeed.

[ihavenobias]

20. Anti-outsourcing of tech jobs, not "anti-India". n/t

[Deja Q]

25. And blame the politicians who bail out the companies who then beg for "bailouts",

as if the "government subsidy" they all get to begin with isn't enough...

I don't know what the point of my response is, except you're right in that the American company, being as cheap as possible, is the root cause.

And, more important, a LOT of people are under the impression that India is the only country, if not the most-used country, for the offshoring of IT jobs. Of course people will look squarely in that direction. If the target country was Bolivia, people would be looking down there. Thank the MEDIA for reporting solely on India, for that's where people get their information from. The MEDIA.

[OhioChick]

28. India isn't the only country, however they are the "Top Destination"

India "is" the "most used country for the offshoring of IT jobs."

India Remains World's Top Outsourcing Destination

July 10, 2009, 9:31AM EST

Despite a backlash against outsourcing, India's low costs, skilled workforce and business environment make it No. 1, says AT Kearney

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jul2009/gb20090710_974200.htm

Can't fault the media here, as it is TRUE.

[Deja Q]

30. I think you're absolutely right...

They are the most-used destination, regardless of other possible destination, so it also makes sense the media would report on India the most often. (In short, it works both ways, and if stereotypes are created for reasons, the media reporting on a typical set of circumstances is true for the same reasons. India is the most used destination, even if some who are pro-offshoring say it's not all about India. It by and large still is...)

Skilled workforce? They can thank the Americans who trained them before being fired due to their "high cost"...

[Xipe Totec]

2. UNAM is ranked 150th

The National Autonomous University of Mexico, the oldest university in the American continent.

[xocet]

21. Curious...

I looked online to see exactly how old UNAM is. Their webpage doesn't give a date that is anywhere near the oldest university. They claim September 22, 1910 is the date of their founding: http://www.unam.mx/EN/aboutunam/unam_tiempo/unam/1910.html .

Even Miskatonic University is older than that:

"Miskatonic University was the third college in New England and the seventh in America -- and the only one that welcomed students of all religious persuasions. A commitment to diversity and intellectual freedom remains a hallmark of the University today. Established as Miskatonic University in the town of Arkham, Masschusetts, the University moved to its present location on Arkham's College Hill in 1770."

[Xipe Totec]

22. That's because it is the sucessor to of the Royal and Pontifical University of Mexico

Founded in 1551
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_and_Pontifical_University_of_Mexico

[proteus_lives]

23. Ahhh, old MU.

The fighting Deep Ones.

;-)

[marmar]

3. The Harvard Business School ought to be quarantined......

...... its crimson handprints are all over the financial meltdown.

[FrenchieCat]

5. My daughter graduated from Harvard this past June......

and she never set foot in the Harvard Business School that I know of in the 4 years that she was there....so I think the ranking has little to do with the graduate schools, and appears to be in relations to the undergraduate school.

She's attending #28 on the top 100's list currently for secondary graduate studies.....
but it is #3 in leading Medical Schools.

[Demeter]

24. Amen! And Defunded, Too

Ratings like this are more a result of PR than examining whether the faculty and students do any good in the world.

[Deja Q]

4. We agree on a lot of offshoring issues, certainly, but with this article I am confused.

All knowledge should be beneficial.

The real problem is, corporations only value the cheapest "commodities", either mineral or organic, without even an ounce of care about quality or anything else. Except quick profit for themselves. That's how things have devolved over the last 30~some years.

It'd be nice if every country had an esteemed university.

It'd be nice if world governments and societies really cared about people more than profits.

I know, I'm dreaming...

[marmar]

6. Here's the top 50......note the top-ranked US public university at #19

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!





1 1 Harvard University US 100 100 98 100 85 78 100.0
2 3 University of Cambridge UK 100 100 100 89 98 96 99.6
3 2 Yale University US 100 99 100 94 85 77 99.1
4 7 University College London UK 98 99 100 90 96 99 99.0
5= 6 Imperial College London UK 100 100 100 80 98 100 97.8
5= 4 University of Oxford UK 100 100 100 80 96 97 97.8
7 8 University of Chicago US 100 99 97 88 77 83 96.8
8 12 Princeton University US 100 96 82 100 89 81 96.6
9 9 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 100 100 89 100 31 95 96.1
10 5 California Institute of Technology US 99 72 87 100 100 89 95.9
11 10 Columbia University US 100 99 97 92 28 89 95.6
12 11 University of Pennsylvania US 96 99 85 98 82 60 94.2
13 13= Johns Hopkins University US 98 79 100 99 28 71 94.1
14 13= Duke University US 95 97 100 93 29 62 92.9
15 15 Cornell University US 100 99 85 94 28 73 92.5
16 17 Stanford University US 100 100 71 100 25 96 92.2
17 16 Australian National University Australia 100 91 75 74 99 92 90.5
18 20 McGill University Canada 100 97 92 61 67 95 90.4
19 18 University of Michigan US 99 99 85 81 57 52 89.9
20= 23 University of Edinburgh UK 97 99 84 65 93 86 89.3
20= 24 ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) Switzerland 97 80 55 99 100 94 89.3
22 19 University of Tokyo Japan 100 97 98 70 28 42 88.9
23 22 King’s College London UK 91 98 90 67 92 88 88.4
24 26 University of Hong Kong Hong Kong 96 89 87 56 100 95 87.5
25 25 Kyoto University Japan 100 93 81 85 32 26 87.1
26 29 University of Manchester UK 94 100 79 58 90 87 85.7
27 21 Carnegie Mellon University US 94 93 56 88 62 96 85.6
28 28 Ecole Normale Supérieure, Paris France 94 87 100 53 76 61 85.4
29 41 University of Toronto Canada 100 96 63 74 82 51 85.3
30 30= National University of Singapore Singapore 100 96 40 75 100 100 84.3
31 27 Brown University US 88 85 67 97 53 55 83.9
32= 30= University of California, Los Angeles US 100 98 46 100 21 33 83.5
32= 33 Northwestern University US 86 97 78 79 28 100 83.5
34 32 University of Bristol UK 83 99 84 69 85 77 83.4
35 39 Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Hong Kong 89 86 84 54 100 99 83.3
36= 34= Ecole Polytechnique France 76 99 100 65 63 95 83.1
36= 38 University of Melbourne Australia 100 100 57 61 59 97 83.1
36= 37 University of Sydney Australia 99 97 58 53 99 95 83.1
39 36 University of California, Berkeley US 100 100 25 100 86 34 82.7
40 34= University of British Columbia Canada 100 93 51 77 34 60 81.2
41 43 University of Queensland Australia 94 95 47 67 99 82 80.7
42 50= Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne Switzerland 67 70 92 84 100 100 80.6
43= 44 Osaka University Japan 92 73 90 68 24 33 80.1
43= 49 Trinity College Dublin Ireland 88 96 72 49 98 83 80.1
45 47 Monash University Australia 98 99 56 42 95 96 80.0
46 42 Chinese University of Hong Kong Hong Kong 87 77 77 55 97 79 79.6
47= 45 University of New South Wales Australia 96 99 39 62 82 93 79.0
47= 50= Seoul National University South Korea 99 69 92 47 29 33 79.0
49= 53 University of Amsterdam Netherlands 93 81 73 62 71 32 78.9
49= 56 Tsinghua University China 98 83 95 34 45 34 78.9
51 48 University of Copenhagen Denmark 84 67 100 48 71 73 78.8

[FrenchieCat]

7. I think that's last year's list.

Here's the new one....Michigan is now #20.

Rank Name of University Country
1 Harvard University USA
2 University of Oxford UK
3 University of Cambridge UK
4 Stanford University USA
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology USA
6 University of California, Berkeley USA
7 California Institute of Technology USA
8 Princeton University USA
9 Yale University USA
10 University of Chicago USA
11 Columbia University USA
12 University of California, San Diego USA
13 Cornell University USA
14 University of California, Los Angeles USA
15 University Pennsylvania USA
16 University of Wisconsin, Madison USA
17 University of Washington, Seattle USA
18 Tokyo University Japan
19 University of California, San Francisco USA
20 University of Michigan, Ann Arbor USA
21 Kyoto University Japan
22 Imperial College London UK
23 Johns Hopkins University USA
24 University of Toronto Canada
25 University College London UK
26 University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign USA
27 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich Switzerland
28 Washington University, St. Louis USA
29 New York University USA
30 Duke University USA
31 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities USA
32 Northwestern University USA
33 Rockefeller University USA
34 University of Colorado, Boulder USA
35 University of California, Santa Barbara USA
36 University of British Columbia Canada
37 University of Maryland, College Park USA
38 Utrecht University Netherlands
39 University of Texas, Austin USA
40 University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center USA
41 Pennsylvania State University, University Park USA
42 University of California, Davis USA
43 Vanderbilt University USA
44 University of California, Irvine USA
45 University of Paris 06 France
46 University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh USA
47 University of Southern California USA
48 Rutgers State University, New Brunswick USA
49 University of Manchester UK
50 Karolinska Institute, Stockholm
http://www.ulinks.com/topuniversities.htm

[marmar]

8. Nope. It's 2009.....What list are you looking at?

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/Rankings2009-Top200.html

[FrenchieCat]

9. Awe Man! My list doesn't look so "official" after all! :(

Oh well....looks like I was incorrect.

[Traveling_Home]

10. So U R saying that this is proof the list is junk science!!!!! tn

[thunder rising]

11. "ability to recruit staff and students abroad" is a criteria? Why not swap students?

Univeristy of Outback Baptist TX swaps with India High Tech, then they both climb the list?

[Lucky Luciano]

15. IIT is very well respected (Indian Institute of Tech).

Our company does hire IIT people and they seem competent. I bear no ill-will to them. They are trying to support their family like anyone else. They do get paid $125-$150K or so - no doubt a lot goes back home.

[Deja Q]

26. Everybody has families to support. Don't mince words, are you putting others over

your own countrymen?

And if something truly greater is being built, how come nothing is being said? (It's about short term greed, at ultimately EVERYONE'S expense, period.)

[Lucky Luciano]

29. No, the point is that plenty of American workers would happily take

the $125-$150K jobs I listed here and our company would gladly hire them, but they will hire the person who handles the technical interviews the best, nationality notwithstanding.

[stray cat]

16. Are any of our public high schools ranked above any in India?

they sure seem better qualified than many of our college kids.

[OhioChick]

17. What's that based on?

Bill Gates or what the MSM dictates? Don't choke on that Kool-Aid.

[swaroop]

19. No IIT? Where is the best and brightest?

[DavidDvorkin]

27. I bet there are some annoyed people at Oxford U

They're down and Cambridge is up.

[Truthway]

31. huh

so what... when where they contenders?