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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 03:42 AM
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Hit DEBIT NOT CREDIT to screw Wall Street BACK
Edited on Sun Jan-10-10 04:16 AM by yurbud


Our elected representatives in Washington seem congenitally unable to punish and neuter Wall Street for the economic terrorism they have visited upon the United States and the entire world with their various scams and trade deals that are decimating the middle class, so we are left to do it for ourselves.

One way to screw them is to stop doing business with national banks and move to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/move-your-money-a-new-yea_b_406022.html">community banks or better yet a http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2009/02/screw-bankers-back-switch-to-credit.html">CREDIT UNION.

NPR revealed another way to castrate these bastards when they talked about the difference between the fees for credit versus debit and who profits from each.

The bottom line is credit charges to merchants are much higher, usually a flat fee plus a percentage, whereas debits are just a flat fee. And credit card companies twists the knife in the businesses by having higher set fees for cheaper purchases. How much does it cost businesses? One merchant interviewed said:

''On the cost of a $5 purchase item, we lose a dollar of that sale.''


While this directly hurts businesses, it's not hard to figure out that this extra cost will be passed on to customers.

Two companies control 80% of all credit card business, which is why they can charge such extortionate rates. And those fees go to them. While debit charges travel through the same networks, they don't pay nearly as much to those monopolies.

There are two ways you can use this knowledge to screw the Wall Street assholes who are screwing us:

  • Obviously, hit the DEBIT button instead of credit every time you have a choice. If enough people did this, it would help businesses as much as any tax cut (without cutting tax revenues we could use for schools, health care, and taking care of our veterans maimed in our now endless wars).

  • A little less obvious is telling business people to let customers know that hitting debit saves them money and that savings could be passed on to customers. One woman called into the NPR show and said when clerks ask her "debit or credit," she asks them what they prefer and they say they don't care.

    Couldn't small business people figure out a nice way to tell their customers that they accept credit but prefer debit? Or at least tell the check out clerks which is better for the business?

    I imagine the credit card companies have a clause in the fine print that says merchants can't give a discount for choosing debit, but they could figure out some creative ways to reward their customers that make the right choice.


The best thing about hitting the DEBIT button is it helps the REAL businesses that provide products and services while hurting the Ponzi schemes of sociopathic trust fund babies on Wall Street who have never made or done anything of value in their whole lives.

If the law cannot or will not reach into their gated community and compounds, we can--not by climbing over their walls but simply by cutting off the flow of our money that keeps them alive and that they use as the club to beat us.

Now if we could just convince their servants to leave them, they would die of starvation and infection from their unwiped asses.

NOTE: The NPR story had more details like how buying gas can lead to overdraft fees even if your bank account isn't overdrawn. Here's a http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=121261576">TRANSCRIPT and the http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121261576">AUDIO.
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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 03:57 AM
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1. Good to know. n/t
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:06 AM
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2. What happened to cash?
It's accepted everywhere, you can't spend more than you have, and the retailer doesn't have to pay a fee to anybody (or pass one on to you, the customer) to accept it.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:13 AM
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3. I always decide who I like the least
when I'm checking out and trying to decide whether to hit credit or debit.

If I like the retailer better than my bank, I hit debit.
If I like the bank better than the retailer, I hit credit.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 04:15 AM
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4. which retailer do you like less than a company that charges up to 29% interest?
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 05:14 AM
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5. walmart pops to mind
But there has been a few others that I don't recall handily.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 08:21 AM
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7. For retailers I don't like, I use American Express.
The fees are outrageous. We wouldn't even take it at my restaurant.

I haven't shopped at a Walmart for damn near 20 years, but they had a deal on cell phones I had to take. It's pre-paid, but I refill it every month on American Express..
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 06:40 AM
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6. k&R.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 08:43 AM
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8. Haven't used a bank since 1980
In 1980, I switched all my banking business to a credit union because a bank tried to screw me over. It was an error the bank finally admitted to, but I had to get ugly to get it fixed. I left $3.95 in that bank for 6 yrs just so they would have to send me a statement every months.

I have had zero problems with my credit union and they are solid as a rock! I have been a member since I was 10 yrs old (45 yrs).
Every loan I have had has been through them, and my credit is impeccable. I even got them to wire me $13K to buy a car over the phone! Try doing that at a bank!

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dynasaw Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 09:23 AM
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9. Unions and Credit Unions
Just a naive thought: Do unions have their own credit unions? Wouldn't it be a double whammy to the banking institutions if labor unions had their own credit unions?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 02:27 PM
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13. teachers almost always have them. I don't know about other kinds of unions
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 10:55 AM
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10. I don't have a debit card
and I don't ever plan on having one.

The big banks pay me to use their credit cards.

I pay off the balance on my credit cards each month and won't carry a credit card that has an annual fee or doesn't have a cash rebate feature.

If/when enough people quit using credit cards (as recommended in that piece on NPR), the banks will quit offering cash rebate cards and make terms less attractive to people like myself who pay off their cards each month. If that ever happens, I'll go back to paying with a check or cash. Meanwhile, I will enjoy the convenience of credit cards and the cash back they pay.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 11:25 AM
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11. the point is the gouging they do to real businesses and by extension their customers
obviously, in the immediate term, it makes no difference to us whether we hit debit or credit, and for someone like you, the astronomical interest on credit isn't a problem. But any way to get back a pound or even an ounce of flesh from these Wall St. bastards is worth a try.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 02:07 PM
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12. Yep. I understand the point.
And I think it's great if for as many people as possible to stop adding to their credit card debt, too.

I know the banks that issued my credit cards are making money off my purchases from the merchants. My dentist gives me a 5% discount for paying in cash, so there's no way I'd charge his bill to my credit card. If merchants would start giving me a cash discount bigger than my cash back percentage on the credit cards, you can bet I'd be taking advantage of it.
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