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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:55 AM
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Who Will Call the Shots in Iraq?
Who Will Call the Shots in Iraq?
The prospects for Bush's plan may depend on how much control an Iraqi government has over U.S. troops there
By TONY KARON
Tuesday, May. 25, 2004

The Bush administration's battle to win international backing for its Iraq plan will hinge on how it resolves the tension between Iraqi sovereignty and U.S. security control. In his speech Monday aimed at reassuring a domestic audience increasingly skeptical over his handling of Iraq, President Bush vowed both to transfer "full sovereignty" to an Iraqi provisional government on June 30, and to maintain 138,000 U.S. troops (or, possibly, more) in Iraq "under American command." U.S. officials have also insisted, up to now, that American officers will have command responsibility for the Iraqi security forces. But sovereignty is like pregnancy — you either are or you aren't, because sovereignty means nothing less than final decision-making authority over all matters of state and the maintenance of security within the borders of a given nation state. If sovereignty is indeed to be transferred on June 30, then any U.S. or other foreign military formations in the country will have to submit to the political will of the sovereign Iraqi government.

The major question being asked by both Iraqis and much of the international community now is whether the provisional government that takes over on June 30 will have veto power over U.S. military actions in their country. Would the Iraqi provisional government, for example, be able to stop U.S. operations of the type mounted recently at Fallujah and Najaf, both of which were strongly condemned even by members of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council? Yes it would, according to Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair. He said today that the Iraqi authority would exercise political control over major operations of Coalition forces, and added that his answer also described the position of the U.S. But within hours, Secretary of State Colin Powell appeared to dismiss Blair’s answer, stressing that U.S. forces would answer to U.S. commanders, and that although they would consult with the Iraqi government, any time the two sides were in conflict the U.S. forces would do whatever they deemed necessary to protect themselves. The appearance of discord between London and Washington on this question certainly won’t help them persuade more skeptical members of the Security Council such as France and Russia.

Iraqis have a substantially different view of the nature of the security problem in their country from the one President Bush outlined. "Coalition forces and the Iraqi people have the same enemies," said President Bush, "the terrorists, illegal militia and Saddam loyalists, who stand between the Iraqi people and their future as a free nation." He suggested that after June 30, "when (Iraqis) patrol the streets of Baghdad or engage radical militias they will be fighting for their own country." But engaging "radical militias" has been very much an American idea, rather than an Iraqi one. So strong was Iraqi opposition to the U.S. offensive at Fallujah that up to half of the Iraqi troops sent there disobeyed deployment orders, and at least one politician resigned from the Governing Council. Later, a broad cross-section of Iraqi politicians warned that the U.S. military campaign against Moqtada Sadr and his supporters was creating more of a problem than Sadr himself represented.

Even the most moderate Iraqi politicians have tended to see U.S. military action as part of the problem. President Bush doesn't tell his audience the whole story when he notes, in reference to Sadr's militia, that "ordinary Iraqis have marched in protest against the militants." It is certainly true that the confrontations in the Shiite holy cities of Najaf and Karbala prompted thousands of Shiites to march demanding that Sadr's Mehdi army withdraw from those cities — but in most cases, those protesters were equally, if not more, insistent that the U.S. troops withdraw, too.

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more:http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,642021,00.html

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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:04 AM
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1. It makes you wonder
if * understands the meaning of "full sovereignty."
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:27 AM
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2. follow-up article NYT- A Worn Road for U.N. Aide
BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 30 — When Lakhdar Brahimi, the United Nations envoy, arrived earlier this month, he declared that he would crisscross Iraq to give the people a new government, one that he suggested would be more independent of America's heavy-handed ways.

Now, as Mr. Brahimi nears the end of his work, Iraqis are discovering that his task was not so simple.

With his slate of appointees expected to be announced in the next day or two, the appointments leaked so far suggest that what Mr. Brahimi ultimately accomplishes may turn out to be less a revolution than a rearrangement, less a new cast of characters than a reworked version of the same old faces.

The reason, Iraqis are beginning to say, has been the unexpected assertiveness of American officials and their allies on the Iraqi Governing Council, coupled with Mr. Brahimi's surprising passivity, after he was expected to have a free hand.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/31/international/middleeast/31IRAQ.html?th
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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:14 PM
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3. Reinforcements of good will
The question of "full sovereignty" and the presence/control of US troops in Iraq reminds me of a line from an amazingly astute and funny British sitcom called "Yes, Prime Minister." The Prime Minister gets around Parliamentary constraints and public resistance to sending in troops to help some small country by announcing that he was sending in "reinforcements of good will."

So Bush should decree that the Iraqis do indeed have full sovereignty and rename the US troops "reinforcements of good will" from the concerned and compassionate people of the United States.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:26 PM
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4. If You
Pay then you own it.
Simple. As long as you are willing to pay the price then you can call the shots.

No one is questioning the ability of the US to impose or propose the method of governing. Do you wish to pay the price?
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