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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:08 AM
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Why The Presidency Matters, And Why It’s Okay To Believe So
Eric Alterman just published a massive essay in The Nation, entitled "Kabuki Democracy: Why a Progressive Presidency Is Impossible, for Now"

I don't recommend it.

First, it's damn hard to find a thesis in this extended disquisition. The article does a fine job of cataloguing the many ills that beset American democracy today (no wonder it's so long), but is far less clear about answering its own title question. In fact, not only does Alterman not answer the question substantively, he doesn't even - as far as I could see - provide a thesis statement identifying his argument.

As near as I can tell it is that the campaign finance system and the media in America are so polluted that no president could actually govern as a progressive. I already get that this country badly needs reform of those two sectors of our political system - I sure don't need any convincing there. But the next step is altogether missing. Elaboration of the argument as to why these malignancies necessarily preclude a progressive presidency was sorely missing from the piece.

Even so, I thought the thing was more or less worth reading for its thorough chronicling of what ails us today. Until I got tot the end, that is, when I badly wanted to hurl as I read the final substantive paragraph of the essay: "What's more, one hypothesis - one I'm tempted to share - for the Obama administration's willingness to compromise so extensively on the promises that candidate Obama made during the 2008 campaign would be that as president, he is playing for time. Obama is taking the best deal on the table today, but hopes and expects that once he is re-elected in 2012 - a pretty strong bet,

I'd say - he will build on the foundations laid during his first term to bring on the fundamental ‘change' that is not possible in today's environment. This would be consistent with FDR's strategy during his second term and makes a kind of sense when one considers the nature of the opposition he faces today and the likelihood that it will discredit itself following a takeover of one or both houses in 2010. For that strategy to make sense, however, 2013 will have to provide a more pregnant sense of progressive possibility than 2009 did, and that will take a great deal of work by the rest of us."

Do I really have this straight?

Alterman believes that by allowing the right to crawl back up off the mat it had leveled itself upon less than two years ago, by alienating progressives and moderate voters in droves... by failing to defend his policies from the worst sort of excoriation from insane troglodyte freaks, by giving the GOP control of one or both branches of Congress... that Obama is supposed to get reelected in 2012?

My god, are you using the word "bet" literally, man? Can I get some serious action against that proposition?

...Most importantly, though, what is wrong with Alterman's take on Obama is that he fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the American presidency.

...Strong and successful presidents (meaning those who get what they want - whether that happens to be good for the country or not) do not accept "the best deal on the table". They take out their carpentry tools and the build the goddam piece of furniture themselves. Strong and successful presidents do not get dictated to by the political environment. They reshape the environment into one that is conducive to their political aspirations.

In short, strong and successful presidents are the bat, not the ball.

More: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/17

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:18 AM
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1. k n r -- do the math
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:47 AM
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2. K & R nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:04 PM
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3. Great Read...Recommended!
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 01:05 PM by bvar22
"Let me be blunt. Strong and successful presidents (meaning those who get what they want - whether that happens to be good for the country or not) do not accept "the best deal on the table". They take out their carpentry tools and the build the goddam piece of furniture themselves. Strong and successful presidents do not get dictated to by the political environment. They reshape the environment into one that is conducive to their political aspirations.

In short, strong and successful presidents are the bat, not the ball."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/17



"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:30 PM
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5. As if the delivery of the ball doesn't entail...
'reshaping the environment into one that is conducive to the game.' Another vacuous analogy.

I suppose FDR wuzn't such a "strong and successful president" as he needed help: "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Teeball President mebbie?

:shrug:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:06 PM
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6. The "environment" was THERE.
President Obama WAS elected with a HUGE popular mandate for "CHANGE".
He NEVER used this resource.
During Teabag Summer had Obama called us to come STAND WITH HIM on the Capitol Steps for REAL Health Care Reform, MILLIONS would have answered.
Had this Mandate for CHANGE been used, or even threatened to be used, we could have had REAL "CHANGE".
.
.
.
Instead, this MANDATE was discarded in favor of pandering to Joe Lieberman and the Republicans.
I am beyond disgusted.
A Once in a Generation opportunity.....wasted.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:31 PM
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7. You'd have a point if 'HUGE popular mandates' voted in the US Senate.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 03:02 PM by yowzayowzayowza
Had Obama Senate control on par with FDR/LBJ, I'd agree with you that "Obama WAS elected with a HUGE popular mandate for "CHANGE"." Without full Senate control we are navigating an ugly sea of obstructionist compromise. Further, I really don't think MILLIONS protesting would have any more effect on Senator Joementum from Hartford than it did on *.

eta: So, I do not see your "A Once in a Generation opportunity.....wasted."
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:02 PM
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8. You ignored my point,
and lapsed back to the tired old excuse, often debunked, that Obama needed 60 votes in the Senate.
No he didn't.
Even the Senators CAN be influenced by MILLIONS standing WITH Obama on the Capitol Steps.
The MANDATE Obama hasn't used (at all) is US.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:12 PM
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9. Ok, so splainz it to me:
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 03:13 PM by yowzayowzayowza
How is Obama at filibuster -2 "a Once in a Generation opportunity" on par with FDR/LBJ at filibuster plus a handful?

I did not ignore your point: I find your expectations of the bully populous unfounded.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:37 PM
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11. OK. You're right.
Obama is just a weak token figurehead without any power to influence the individual Senators, and no popular support.
Joe Lieberman is a SUPERMAN and always gets HIS way.
So why even try?
Oh Well.
Hope & Change...just another campaign slogan.
...nothing to rally your people about.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:02 PM
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14. Agreed.
The president has great leverage - even over the Senate. The real problem is that the president serves at the pleasure of the Plutocrats. Period. I believe that Bill Hicks joke about the newly elected president has more than a kernel of truth to it.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:17 PM
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4. K&R #5
(for now)

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:14 PM
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10. Excellent post, depakid. Thanks. Rec. nt
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:41 PM
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12. FDR, FDR, FDR
We should be standing on every street corner shouting it. Maybe, just maybe, an educated man might get a clue then. Maybe several of them.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:33 PM
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13. K&R
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:49 PM
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15. Obama is weak.
Period. I've never heard so many excuses from so many supporters on why Obama can't do something. That is the hallmark of weakness. Yes we can't! Is his motto. A lot of times a few crumbs are NOT better than nothing, especially when fighting will get you the whole damn loaf.
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