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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 05:00 PM Original message |
Jon Stewart had T. Boone Pickens on thurs. Pickens idea to fuel cars with Natural gas is half right |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Does Pickens use fracking to get the natural gas he sell us? |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes. And he lied through his teeth that no well has ever caused ground water pollution |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Pickens thinks it's fine to frack. fortunately we don't have to use fracking to get natural gas. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. That is good to hear as our community is pretty much hooked into |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh frack! |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. Natural Gas won't save our road-based economy |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. This is only needed to preclude sinking back into a deeper recession due to increases in oil prices. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. If we could possibly double the number of people driving very fuel efficient cars in say 10 years |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. Pickens promotes anything he has money in. He doesn't give a rats ass about the environment. |
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bluescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. There's another way to do it. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Unfortunately, what almost nobody wants to face is it will take years to get enough Plug-ins on the |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. Pickens OWNS 90% of the US Natural gas reserves |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I really don't care how much he owns of it. We are headed for a deeper recession/depression when |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Pickens is a Corporate hag. They already invented hydrogen pellets to replace gas |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Hydrogen pellets? please provide link if you know of post. Hydrogen pellets is not feasible as a |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Nope, they did it & don't have to modify our cars. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Well, this is interesting but we are not going to see this go from laboratory to 10 billion gallons |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Well, I don't expect the US to buy it, but I think the EU & China will |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. being a patentable technology, I'm afraid, has nothing to do with whether it will prove practical. |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I think the Brits will do it! |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. What I have seen is that it does take a good deal of time to develop a new |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. New Technologies is the only way we can break the monopolies |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. LOL one disaster to the next. |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. The US imports natural gas as well as petroleum. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Natural gas, Domestic Production Nov 2010: 1,818 Bil cu ft, Net imports 180 Bil cu ft |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. >got any alternative ... |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. ... |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. How long to get biodiesel to say 10% of light transport fuel needs? can that be done in 10 yrs? I |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. >"I don't think so." |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. there are manufacturing facilties which turn out about 40 million gallons of methanol now. |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. You can buy drigas and fill your tank now if you want. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Note: "there are manufacturing facilties which turn out about 40 million gallons of methanol now." |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Yes, I was agreeing that you can do this now. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Like I said, give me a better short term solution to gas price increases.. more than the action of |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. FFVs can run on ethanol E85 or methanol M85 see link: |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. Methanol is a great motor fuel |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I'm only considering blended methanol along with ethanol in gasoline. The problems you cited are |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. I have used methanol blend racing gasoline for 25 years |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. any idea what % is methanol? I checked link and there appears to be all kinds of 'exotic' |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. The 1st 4 are not in race gas. (oxygen bearing) |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You didn't answer my question ..What % methanol is CAM 2? |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I did not find the data on the web - I'm very hands- on with race stuff |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
55. here's some more on methanol: Methanol, The New Hydrogen - MIT Tech Review |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-02-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
57. some more on methanol from MIT scientists |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. As I said, in MIT's words: |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Flex Fuel engines could handle 5% to 10% methanol along with 10% ethanol. |
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Veronica.Franco (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. Did anyone see the fire in Neil Young's garage a few months ago? |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. With the electric cars |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. this really is too ridiculous to respond to. IT will take 20 years to get enough electrics on the |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. If the investments misplaced in hydrogen fuel cells and bio |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. How many people would have to buy electric cars in the next 7 years to replace |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. I think this is a decent-enough idea |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. the negatives you raised about methanol applies to 100% methanol. These problems would go away if |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Umm...you don't distribute it compressed |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. I wonder why Waste Management spent $7.5 million building a CNG dispensing facility? |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. I think CNG for Fleet operators is a practical idea since you are not talking about building |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I don't think the problem can be solved in the short term |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Well, yes and no. consider how long it takes to replace a significant % of fleet. |
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SnakeEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. invisible flame can be solved with an additive |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Would you happen to know what the additive would be? |
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SnakeEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. This is an old and outdated argument. |
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concreteblue (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-31-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
42. quick, easy answer to automotive fuel costs.... |
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Mopar151 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Don't bet the grocery money |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
68. Very interesting info at link. These guys are serious. Right now, this is just for city driving |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
52. Pickes KNOWS what he is doing in life is WRONG,,,,, |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
60. See this Debate about Natural Gas. |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Each acre of corn produces enough biomass to convert the grain to ethanol |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-03-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Combined Heat and Power using natural gas (no biomass) 90% reduction in CO2 emissions |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-04-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
69. Honda Civic GX (natural gas ) sedan $25,000, Standard Civic Sedan (auto) $16,600 |
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