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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 12:38 AM
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Congressman Wants Citizens of ALL Religions to Reflect on the Ten Commandments (Redux)
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/4/16/162432/056/Front_Page/Congressman_Wants_Citizens_of_ALL_Religions_to_Reflect_on_the_Ten_Commandments_Redux_


This year, the resolution comes from Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX). On April 7, Gohmert introduced H. Res. 211, a resolution "Expressing support for designation of the first weekend of May as Ten Commandments Weekend to recognize the significant contributions the Ten Commandments have made in shaping the principles, institutions, and national character of the United States."


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There is, however, one important difference between last year and this year that should be noted. While the Democrats controlled the committees, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, the committee to whom resolutions like this are typically referred, did a good job of keeping these resolutions from even getting to the floor for a vote. But now, with the Republicans in control, and eight members of Rep. Randy Forbes's (R-VA) Congressional Prayer Caucus, including Louie Gohmert, on this committee, I'm nowhere near as confident that this resolution will be stalled as I was last year. After all, we just saw the House Committee on the Judiciary's Subcommittee on the Constitution order that Forbes's resolution "Reaffirming 'In God We Trust' as the official motto of the United States," and supporting "the public display of the national motto in all public buildings, public schools, and other government institutions" be sent to the floor for a voice vote.

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These kinds of resolutions almost always contain a dose of Christian nationalist American history revisionism, and Gohmert's resolution, H. Res. 211, is no different. In fact, just like Sen. Sam Brownback in his 2008 Ten Commandments Weekend resolution, and Broun in his, Gohmert includes a quote from John Quincy Adams in one of his "Whereas" clauses: "Whereas the sixth President of the United States, John Quincy Adams, declared the Ten Commandments to be 'laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation, which ever professed any code of laws.'"

And, just like Brownback and Broun did in their resolutions, Gohmert omits the part of the quote in which Adams made it clear that many of the laws of the Old Testament were "adapted to that time only" and binding only on the ancient Jews. Here's what Adams actually wrote, in a letter to his son:

{link http://books.google.com/books?id=hYtIAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=it+contained+many+statutes+adapted+to+that+time+only,+and+to+the+particular+circumstances+of+the+nation+to+whom+it+was+given;+they+could+of+course+be&source=bl&ots=-U3xZbGuRe&sig=Fx_hPCHmLDgqZFU-8E83Rj-Kexo&hl=en&ei=AXyqTfXEH9Dwtgeur_zRBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA } "The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes adapted to that time only, and to the particular circumstances of the nation to whom it was given; they could of course be binding upon them, and only upon them, until abrogated by the same authority which enacted them, as they afterward were by the Christian dispensation; but many others were of universal application -- laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation, which ever professed any code of laws."
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 12:39 AM
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1. Yeah, as if that'd solve any problems
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 12:41 AM
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2. The first weekend in May already has a designated religious event....
The Kentucky Derby.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:14 AM
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11. Amen to that! LOL nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 12:58 AM
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3. Perhaps they could start with Thou shalt not bear false witness
against thy neighbnor. Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself.
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OhioDoink Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:42 AM
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10. Thou shalt not bear false witness seems to be a real problem
for the religious right.They feel they need to show everyone how bad a person or thing is,even if that means lying about said person or thing.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 01:01 AM
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4. The GOP would profit more from relfecting on the
Beatitudes.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 01:05 AM
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5. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
There are important ideas in there. But there are also important ideas in the eightfold path of Buddhism, the five pillars of Islam that are also worth reflecting on.

Obviously the bigger picture is that this doesn't warrant legislation.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 01:12 AM
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6. Only if Congresscritter Gomer Goober reflects on the Beatitudes. . .
and determines to live his life by the Christian precepts contained therein (rules which overrode those delivered by Moses).
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 01:14 AM
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7. Here is the GOP's Version of the Ten Commandments. Makes it all perfectly clear:
Edited on Sun Apr-17-11 01:27 AM by freshwest
1. You shall have no other gods before me.

GOP: Not even the god of Mammon?

2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

GOP: :Lord, we only deify your servant Ronald Reagan.

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

GOP: Does not apply when Bush and Cheney do it.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

GOP: WalMart and McDonald's are exempted from this one.

5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

GOP: Only if they don't need social security or health care.

6. You shall not murder.

GOP: Killing people in wars isn't murder, it's good business.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

GOP: Unless you're too worried about the USA like Newt.

8. You shall not steal.

GOP: Everything belongs to us, don't dare say we stole anything.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

GOP: Lying about liberals is a virtue and God approves of it.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

GOP: After foreclosure, it's not our neighbor's house, etc. so no way you can get us on this one.

Before Gohmert lectures, he can talk to his own party who have broken every single one of the old list. Or present this GOP list. To be amended at will.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 01:21 AM
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8. well some of them are pretty much universal truths
but i`m not sure what mother earth would think of the rest....
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 01:49 AM
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9. Then how about having everybody focus on the Five Pillars of Islam?
1. Professing a belief in God and in Mohammad as prophet
2. Praying five times per day
3. Fasting during Ramadan
4. Giving alms
5. Making a pilgrimage to Mecca, if possible

I, as a Christian, think there is a lot that can be learned from this.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:25 AM
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12. What about those of us citizens who are of no religion ...
and still believe in treating others the way we ourselves would wish to be treated?

The basis for shaping the US is in the belief that each human being has certain inalienable rights and that the principal purpose of our Government is to protect and preserve those rights. There is no need to throw the Ten Commandments - or indeed anything linked to ANY one or more religions - into the mix.

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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:12 AM
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13.  Old Louie remind me of
Gomer Pyle and Goober from from Mayberry RFD.A real slick hick.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 10:41 AM
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14. Well there goes all of those graven images in Statuary Hall.
Edited on Mon Apr-18-11 10:44 AM by yellowcanine


Not to mention the statues in the Lincoln Memorial, Jefferson Memorial, etc.




Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:06 AM
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15. Ever Notice
...these infantile authoritarians never cite The Sermon On The Mount?

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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 04:58 PM
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16. Still waiting for Louie or one of his pious co-sponsors to make a bill closing businesses on Sundays
I am sure any minute now one will do it and if not good Christian politicians in individual states will hurry up and introduce such bills in their individual states and decriminalize adultery as well.
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