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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:55 PM
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What is it about marijuana that makes it more frightening to the federal govt. than morphine?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-marijuana-20110713,0,3089477.story

What is it that makes marijuana more frightening to the federal government than cocaine or morphine? The Drug Enforcement Administration has steadfastly, over decades, listed marijuana as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has no medical value and that the potential for abuse is high. Cocaine and morphine, far more dangerous and habit-forming, are listed as Schedule II because they have some medical value.

Last week the DEA ruled once again, a decade after it made the same decision, that marijuana is a potentially dangerous drug without known medical benefits. During the intervening 10 years, though, nine more states passed medical marijuana laws, bringing the total to 17. Two years ago, the American Medical Assn. recommended changing the classification of marijuana to Schedule II, which would make it easier for researchers to obtain the drug for medical studies.

In March, the National Cancer Institute reported: "The potential benefits of medicinal cannabis for people living with cancer include antiemetic effects, appetite stimulation, pain relief and improved sleep." However, it stopped short of endorsing marijuana as a medical treatment, concluding that there was too little evidence.

The cancer institute and the DEA are right that there's not enough scientific evidence about the medical uses of cannabis. But whose fault is that? The biggest reason there is so little proof about marijuana, one way or the other, is that the federal government is paranoid about legitimate research on the drug and has refused to relist it as Schedule II. The few and scattered studies that have been completed, in this country and around the world, have not proved marijuana's potential benefits, but by and large, they have produced some promising findings. In the late 1990s, both the New England Journal of Medicine and the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences, suggested that marijuana appeared to have some medical uses and recommended more research.


I would beg to differ with this editorial on one issue. There have, in fact, been tens of thousands of studies done related to marijuana.

As noted here:

"Marijuana is already the most studied plant on Earth, and is arguably one of the most investigated therapeutically active substances known to man. To date, there are now over 20,000 published studies or reviews in the scientific literature pertaining to marijuana and its active compounds. That total includes over 2,700 separate papers published on cannabis in 2009 and another 900 published just this year alone (according to a key word search on the search engine PubMed).

And what have we learned from these 20,000+ studies? Not surprisingly, quite a lot. For starters, we know that cannabis and its active constituents are uniquely safe and effective as therapeutic compounds. Unlike most prescription or over-the-counter medications, cannabinoids are virtually non-toxic to health cells or organs, and they are incapable of causing the user to experience a fatal overdose. Unlike opiates, cannabinoids do not depress the central nervous system, and as a result they possess a virtually unparalleled safety profile. In fact, a 2008 meta-analysis published in the Journal of the Canadian Medical Association (CMAJ) reported that cannabis-based drugs were associated with virtually no serious adverse side effects in over 30 years of investigative use.

We also know that the cannabis plant contains in excess of 60 active compounds that likely possess distinctive therapeutic properties. These include THC, THCV, CBD, THCA, CBC, and CBG, among others. In fact, a recent review by Raphael Mechoulam and colleagues identifies nearly 30 separate therapeutic effects — including anti-cancer properties, anti-diabetic properties, neuroprotection, and anti-stroke properties — in cannabinoids other than THC. Most recently, a review by researchers in Germany reported that since 2005 there have been 37 controlled studies assessing the safety and efficacy of cannabinoids, involved a total of 2,563 subjects. By contrast, most FDA-approved drugs go through far fewer trials involving far fewer subjects.

Finally, we know that Western civilization has been using cannabis as a therapeutic agent or recreational intoxicant for thousands of years with relatively few adverse consequences — either to the individual user or to society. In fact, no less than the World Health Organization commissioned a team of experts to compare the health and societal consequences of marijuana use compared to other drugs, including alcohol, nicotine, and opiates. After quantifying the harms associated with both drugs, the researchers concluded: “Overall, most of these risks (associated with marijuana) are small to moderate in size. In aggregate they are unlikely to produce public health problems comparable in scale to those currently produced by alcohol and tobacco. On existing patterns of use, cannabis poses a much less serious public health problem than is currently posed by alcohol and tobacco in Western societies.”

http://blog.norml.org/2010/07/01/theres-been-over-20000-studies-on-marijuana-what-is-it-that-scientists-do-not-yet-know/



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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:59 PM
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1. There's a lot of $$$ in the marijuana prohibition industry.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 07:59 PM by LetTimmySmoke
Anyone who makes money off the Federal Marijuana War, and there are many who do, is afraid of losing it.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:01 PM
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2. Yep!!! It's all about profit in prohibition! n/t
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:22 AM
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81. Not only profit in simple prohibition
but also profit in the OTHER substances that replace MEDICAL marijuana. Marijuana is cheap to manufacture (it's a plant, it GROWS) compared to any of the opiates. Even opium needs some processing, marijuana needs VERY little.

So not only is there money in direct prohibition, there's also a lot of money in keeping it from becoming a replacement for drugs that are ACTUALLY manufactured.
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Badsam Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:33 AM
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36. Yes. You are correct. Please come again. Thank you.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:02 PM
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3. I have no idea but they had a segment on the today show about some sort of synthetic marijuana
(i did not know there was such a thing available currently) that some kids had taken. Not sure why they had taken it but I am guessing it made them sick and one of the kids died.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:25 PM
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7. it's called "Spice".
And it's a mish-mash of chemicals that don't appear on any schedule and it's marketed "Not for Human Consumption (nudge, wink)"
States are passing laws against sale or possession as fast as they can write them.
It gives you the high of Boo with all the downside of bathtub Meth.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:33 PM
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9. what the hell is it for then? i only remember them saying it was synthetic marijuana
and showing the mother saying her son always wanted to make a difference and now maybe he can.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:48 PM
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12. It's sold as "incense"
But everybody knows you put it in your pipe and smoke it. It's called incense and labeled "Not for Human Consumption" to throw THE MAN off.
Only, THE MAN has caught on to the scam.
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:54 PM
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13. Spice is marketed as a legal alternative to weed.
The other thing I've been hearing about is "bath salts" some sort of synthetic and legal meth. That's what the guy who burned his kid for touching his bible was smoking, supposedly. It could be news hype and not that widespread, but I do know people involved with Spice and that is bad news. A friend of my wife's was working for a spice distributor selling the stuff to headshops and convenience stores and the like - she said it was just like weed only you didn't have to worry about drug tests. But from what I've heard from regular smokers though the high is completely different and not pleasant at all. A friend who is a daily weed smoker with a medical scrip has told me that her brother recently started smoking a lot of Spice and is showing definite mood changes - borderline psychotic behavior that has her worried.
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gunnyhighway57 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:57 PM
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14. //////
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 08:58 PM by gunnyhighway57
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:58 PM
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15. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:02 AM
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28. i've never heard of anyone having any psychotic episodes from ACTUAL weed, but then
i don't know that many people who smoke weed. but my brother used to when he was a teenager and he never seemed to do that. From my experience, the stereotype is the worst I could see happening.
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:21 PM
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63. As the previous poster said...
Spice is like Mexican dirt weed combined with meth. At least that's what I've heard.
Can anyone explain what Salvia is? That's the other "alternative weed" I've seen for sale at convenience stores and heard several heavy drug users (smoke, acid, x) swear is evil.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:50 PM
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47. why would her brother smoke that shit when he could have her pick him up some buds?
yikes!
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:17 PM
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62. Good question! n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:21 AM
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32. What is Boo? n/t
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #32
34. that was my question, too. n/t
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:49 PM
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40. One of C. Sativa's many names.
I can't believe I had to go all the way down to the 34th entry in the urban dictionary before I found it.

Damn, am I *THAT* fuckin' ancient?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 08:11 PM
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76. It's not like I hatched from the incubator yesterday
but the only slang for "boo" that I knew was boyfriend or girlfriend.

...so I was trying to figure out "the high of a girlfriend or boyfriend" with meth... hmmmm. :)
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:05 PM
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4. You can grow it anywhere.
:shrug:
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Kurmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:54 PM
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22. Which makes it cheap and too hard for Big Pharma to compete with.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:41 AM
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37. Ka-Ching followed by another Ka-Ching
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 11:44 AM by Strelnikov_

Also consider the impact on the alcohol and cigarette industries, and their lobbyists.

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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 02:47 PM
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69. Why do we always leave out the pharmaceutical industries.
Think of what we would not be purchasing if we could grow our own everywhere? AFAIC, booze is the real killer, in every way, deadly to the body, not to mention the people hurt because of the boozer.

No sleeping pills, pain meds, anti-nausea, no legal downers, uppers, etc. You get the drift. More economical harm, IMHO, than alcohol and cigarette industries. Put them all together and you have a lot of power and a hell of a lot of bribes to elected officials everywhere.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #22
45. +1M
Exactly.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:09 PM
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5. People fear the hippee look will come back.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:00 AM
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27. I'm more worried about mullets, personally. n/t
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Ellie49 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #5
80. :-)
Oh, that's funny!
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:15 PM
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6. It cannot be patented.
Follow the money. Just FYI, cocaine is a Schedule II drug.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:39 PM
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10. I think that's how it was noted in the editoral
or did I miss that somewhere?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 03:57 PM
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49. Uh, no.
1. Living organisms with unique DNA can be patented.
2. Products derived from those organisms can be patented.

Smoking ditchweed cannot be patented, but various marijuana chemical products have already been patented, and are sold for medical reasons, legally.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:17 PM
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51. I'm talking about the plant itself. Whole.
I don't know why you're dropping the demeaning nickname of ditchweed, but whatever.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:23 PM
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52. Because there are a massive number of plants being sold as the same "thing".
I suspect it's only a matter of time before some of the better strains are patented on the genetic level... by Monsanto.

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:27 PM
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8. The alcohol lobby is scared of it.
Don't want any competition in the fucking-people-up-business.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:41 PM
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11. I remember some California Beer group donated to the defeat of Prop 19
cause, of course, they're all against people using any substance recreationally to alter their frame of mind... :eyes:
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gunnyhighway57 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:59 PM
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16. too easy to grow to allow Capital to make $$ off it
too easy to grow to allow Capital to make $$ off it.



booze is not that easy to make. Pills are quite hard to make.


pounds of usable mj can be grown almost anywhere by throwing some seeds on the ground.

MJ is non-addictive and not particularly harmful, and so there is a potential that boozeCo and PharmCo could lose billions in revenue.

Follow the $$$
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:08 PM
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54. Having done both from time to time
It's actually easier to make booze than it is to grow weed. True fact.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:05 PM
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17. the biggest 'problem' with it is that it may reduce sex on the wrong brain
when sex energy that's supposed to go to the right creative orgasmic side of the brain gets into the left mathematical logical side of the brain where there is no orgasm it is satisfied in terms of magnitude (numbers- greed) and conclusion/finality (certainty). since nothing is certain the need for certainty creates fear, which can be relieved by authoritarian certainty, order, sameness, etc.

so how does sex energy get into the left side of the brain? that's the side of the brain connected to the right hand. pot may be a releaser.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:34 PM
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18. hmmmmmmm
I don't quite understand what you wrote but anytime someone mentions sex I have to ask whatinthehell they are talking about. :)

so, pot makes you left handed? (j/k)

no studies on that that I'm aware of... :)
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:54 PM
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21. here you go! this will explain everything!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:59 PM
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26. wow! thanks!
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 12:02 AM by RainDog
that explains this, too! :)



squint.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:29 AM
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31. didnt have to squint
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #26
39. It helps if you're very nearsighted, as I am. The further back you sit
the better it works. :rofl: :evilgrin:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 03:25 PM
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48. No kidding - I had to stand 15 feet back from the monitor to read it. nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:25 PM
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59. LOL. I told you to squint!
I STILL can't see it... :)
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #17
70. Color me confused. Is that a quote or do you talk that way in everyday life?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 11:33 PM
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78. you have to watch the video
it explains everything.

and the explainer sort of looks like bastard child of zippy the pinhead and leela



or it's another Farnsworth Parabox moment: "Oh my God. This is just like that drug trip I saw in that movie while I was on that drug trip."
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LittleGirl Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:43 PM
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19. yeah, yeah, whatever, all I know
is that it's better than sleeping pills for us menopausal women with insomnia. Sleeping pills give me 'hang overs'. Pot...none. Just a good night's sleep. What's all the fuss about. Legalize now, plz. Thank you.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:44 PM
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20. Hemp, lumped in with marijuana, is a threat to other industries, too, I think. nt
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 09:44 PM by valerief
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:11 PM
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23. I think that it has something to do with free thinking.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 11:12 PM by Oldenuff
Not that you have to have smoked Cannabis sometime in your life to have become a free thinker,but I think it has helped many.

The other thing to consider is that,if the government were to reverse their stance,that they would in effect be admitting that they have been lying for 40 years.Most of us here realize that the government is really "all about" lying,but the population as a whole are hardly more that sheep.They will believe anything they are told,and vote more out of fear and/or for personal gain than anything else.






And he was all like, "I will open the doors of Government and ask you to be involved in your own Democracy again", that is..until the topic of Cannabis legalization came up...




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Harry J Asslinger Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:14 PM
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24. I do believe that..
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 11:38 PM by Harry J Asslinger
Nixon's impetus for starting the WOD was to go after marijuana to in effect make criminals of the people involved in the anti-war movement. At this point, they do not want to give an inch on it. Not only is its prohibition and demonization their very seed, they have invested nearly all their efforts into vilifying it. Given that marijuana is easily one of the safest things around, they even had to go so far as to invent the gateway drug inanity to malign it outside of its inherent effects. If they lose marijuana, they lose the most used prohibited drug, and the drug they have expended a tremendous deal of bullshit on (hell, just look at the ONDCP's Above the Influence - an entire brand of propaganda aimed damn near entirely towards cannabis). IMO, when cannabis prohibition falls, the monster of prohibition will begin to rust rapidly. Cannabis is their crux, their lifeblood. It does not help that the plant has myriad uses, which will effectively infuriate the populace when they become privy to them as a result of legality.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:23 PM
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25. The nature of the drug effect.
You take things less seriously, so it's harder to manipulate you.
You're lazier about things you don't really care about, so...
You become more conscious of verbal games, so...
You become more relaxed and less fearful, so...
You become less aggressive, so...
You become less interested in primate power dynamics, so...

of course, another worrisome thing about marijuana for conservatives is that the drug experience is so inconsistent. It's dependent on what's going on in your head as much or more as it is on what the drug does. This is terrifying to some, and psychedelics even more so for the same reason.

It's like having a sense of humor and being around others that don't. OF COURSE they would suppress it if they could.

Sure, there's other reasons...
It's easy to grow and hence hard to make profitable
It's historically associated with minorites and the poor
It's historically associated with patent medicine and the tradition of self-medication
It's fun
It doesn't have a built-in "sin tax" like a hangover
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:57 PM
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42. Exactly--pot encourages out of the box thinking
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 01:03 PM by felix_numinous
and I think this is the biggest reason, (besides the PIC/international drug war profiteering going on) that it is a schedule 1 drug!!

All of the mind expanding drugs are strictly controlled because there is NO WAY people would become true believer zombies if they smoked a spiff once in awhile, (or tripped on some mushrooms or acid)....too much creative thought going on, we can't have that!! :)

Otherwise some innocuous herb that cut down on nausea and sedated people would be no threat to the status quo--right? It is the pleasure aspect that has people's underwear in a twist.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:41 AM
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29. The Tobacco Industry is against it.
...unless they can control the growing and distribution of Cannabis.

Since Cannabis can be grown most anywhere with little skill, I thing most smokers would grow their own. Why pay for crap, when there are plenty of great strains to choose from. People have their preferences with Cannabis, just like they do with other pleasurable pastimes.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:29 AM
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30. high usage, high incarceration rate, keeps unemployment figures lower than they would be otherwise.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:22 AM
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33. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Raindog.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:41 AM
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35. thanks for the k&r, Uncle Joe n/t
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:54 AM
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38. Prohibition is a nice racket for the cops and courts
That herb is still demonized in this day and age speaks volumes for this country. I was in Total Wine a few days ago and thought how a person could be locked in there overnight and drink themself to death with all the demon alcohol in the place. Get locked overnight in the pot dispensary? You'll have the best night of sleep in your life!

Viva cannabis - a truly wonderful plant.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:50 PM
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41. I wonder, and this is tinfoil hat time - but THC lowers your dopamine levels
Morphine, Opiates, Benzos, Alcohol and Cocaine all raise your dopamine levels

Now I have no idea why the Federal Government is so against low dopamine levels - it could tie to our obsession with work, and hard work at that. The first thing you learn about your new job is to lie about how hard you're working. To be slothful in the USA is to be lower than pond scum - a genetic defect that even your most compassionate person will insist is stamped out.

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:21 PM
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43. My guess: A lot of the law enforcement people do not want to admit
that they were wrong. That is also why they are so aggressive since the move to make it legal has started.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:09 PM
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44. Main course: Money
with Propaganda for dessert.

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DLine Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:44 PM
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46. Im not going to claim it can cure cancer....
But more and more people are starting to believe that it is the ULTIMATE natural medicine when concentrated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:04 PM
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50. Canabinoids, in vitro, have been shown to inhibit cancer.
Unfortunately, the most popular use of the product is typically carcinogenic.

Don't smoke, vape.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:28 PM
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56. +1
it has indeed been shown to inhibit the growth of cancer cells an in some cases reduce them.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:59 PM
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75. Actually, that is not true.
Heavy pot smokers have no increased chance of lung cancer.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 06:35 PM
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82. I just ran across two different version of the same research
one written by those who uphold prohibition, one by those who oppose it.

I want to check out the info - but what was interesting was the way the info got spun - the part about no increase in cancer for tobacco smokers who used cannabis.

but, again, another reason to reschedule and have more large-scale studies - tho, in truth, if someone has the right to smoke a cigarette and take that risk, someone has the right to ingest cannabis in the same way.

what's also funny is the way that people are so worried that those dying from cancer might get high from medicine - I mean, a little mood lift while facing a life-threatening disease - well, we can't have that, can we?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 04:56 PM
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53. Imo, it's the constinuing separtion of public from nature by elites ....
they exploit nature for their own profit -- and any part of it that we want

to use, we'll have to pay for -- they're the gatekeepers --

There was a article recently here at DU where government was allow drug companies

to mimic marijuana -- and market it?

Presumably so that should we ever succeed in legalizing it again -- we'd only get

access to what drug companies produce!! ????

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:27 PM
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55. It allows people to see through bullshit and they know they won't be able to fool us anymore
i'm serious. but that's not the reason.

the real reason is big oil, big pharma, big tobacco, big alcohol - all lobby fiercely against marijuana cause they know it will eat into their ridiculously high profits. they don't care that it helps sicks people. this is why i hate capitalism with a passion. it puts profit above people.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:44 PM
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57. It's a conflict of interest for the DEA to be the scheduler
I think it is inherently a conflict of interest for the DEA, a law enforcement agency, to be deciding which substances do/do not have medicinal value and hence which schedule any given substance gets classified under. Any organization, suborganization, agency, department, etc. (whether government or non-government), seeks continually to justify its own existence. Let's face it: marijuana is an easy target for the DEA, particularly when compared with the much more problematic substances like heroine or methamphetamine. But by keeping the numbers of marijuana-related arrests high, the DEA can claim "progress" in the "War on Drugs" and thereby continue to be able to make a case for more government resources (i.e., tax revenue) to flow into it. But whether or not something has medicinal value is (or should be) a medical determination, made on the basis of medical research; it should not be a political determination, as it clearly is under the current system. The DEA claims that there aren't sufficient studies documenting the efficacy of marijuana for medical purposes, yet it simultaneously creates an environment where such research cannot now and never will take place. If a substance's medical efficacy is in dispute or not fully established, there should be a lower classification until such time as research can establish such efficacy one way or the other.

Actually, come to think of it, why is medical efficacy the determinant in any case? After all, what medical efficacy has ever been firmly established for tobacco? And alcohol was legal long before there were any studies showing that moderate consumption may have health benefits. If we're going to arbitrarily apply such criteria for legitimacy to some substances, why should we not apply the same criteria to all of them, including alcohol, tobacco and caffeine? It seems to me that a more logical system would be one that focuses on societal harm rather than on presumed lack of medical efficacy; but, of course, if we were to do that, alcohol and tobacco would both come in near the bottom of the list, now wouldn't they? (And if we were to go on the basis of societal harm, they'll have to do a whole lot more by way of evidence than "Reefer Madness!"). Maybe the best solution is to drop the idiotic hypocrisy of the entire WoD and instead permit adults to make their own decisions.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 12:24 AM
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65. Wow!
you should expand this to a post of its own.

You're so right on all points.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 01:30 PM
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68. Thanks!
Edited on Sat Jul-16-11 01:31 PM by markpkessinger
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 08:24 PM
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77. I'm so glad you did!
hey, anyone who reads this thread - go kick that one!
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CartoonDiablo Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 06:21 PM
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58. Hearst and Mexicans,
Chomsky says it the best. It's a combination of Hearst newspapers wanting to stop hemp and as a tactic to get rid of mexicans and working class people. Notice too, that no other country uses the spanish word "marijuana" as an official term, it's always cannabis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obx3pSKOlVg
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:40 PM
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60. Legalization will cut into the booze industry in a BIG way, that's the concern.
All of those beer manufacturers, liquor manufacturers, bars, saloons, other establishments that push liquor, will take a huge hit if they legalize it.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 09:40 PM
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61. the beer industry has helped to foster the WoD
and pressured the govt to make sure alcohol was not included as a drug.

personally, it wouldn't matter to me whether cannabis is legal or not, as far as alcohol goes, cause I rarely drink.

why should one substance be allowed and another, less harmful, be forbidden?

and - as far as medicinal use - it's criminal for the federal govt to keep research on this substance from going forward - it's almost like prohibition has become a religion, a fanaticism that is impervious to fact.

that's when you know an organization is messed up - when they cannot examine their policies and make corrections.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:35 PM
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64. I agree w/you, but the booze manufacturers have lobbyists and donate big money
to politicians on boths sides of the aisle.

The booze industry, in essence, buys the votes. The excuse is health/morality, but the reality is that they get lots of campaign money for voting the 'right' way....it's easy money.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 09:00 AM
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66. money, it's a hit
...you know the rest of that line. :/
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:43 AM
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79. +1 nt
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 03:14 PM
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73. alcohol, pharma industery, cotten industery, petrolium industery, paper industery, prison industery
this is a GREAT BOOK BY JACK...

tells all the TRUTH about hemp startinh with the history
quick and easy to read...

http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/

http://www.jackherer.com



lots of other stuff hemp produces with less polution
http://www.thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/rr/Jack_Herer_-_The_Emperor_Wears_No_Clothes_%5BHow_Hemp_Can_Save_The_World%5D.en.pdf
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 10:19 AM
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67. The problem is: it can be grown anywhere by anyone with even half an iota of
gardening savvy.

NO PROFIT for Corporations.

nt
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 03:00 PM
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71. easy bust, pot heads dont carry guns, bust a joint, sand bag the rest of the day w paper work
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 03:10 PM
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72. It threatens the prison, paper fiber, oil, pharmaceutical, alcohol, and chemical industries
which pay good money for electing our politicians and expect their agendas to be carried out.
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 03:16 PM
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74. here is a link to Jack Herer's 'chapters' , and a >>>link>>> to his book
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