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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:39 AM
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Ambassador Wilson criticizes president-everything has come up horse turds
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 12:55 AM by TacticalPeak
Former ambassador criticizes president

Monday, July 12, 2004

By DARLA CAMERON

The Daily Sentinel

ASPEN - Former Ambassador Joe Wilson can sum up his opinion of President George W. Bush's post-Sept. 11 administration quite simply.

"Everything they have put into play since Sept. 11 has come up horse turds," Wilson said when he spoke Sunday at the Sopris Foundation State of the World Conference.

...

The ambassador said that by practicing "radical reactionary" politics to push their own agenda, the current administration "has taken the party so far outside the parameters of political behavior they have ruined the reputation of the United States."

"I think if we paddle this boat hard enough we can change the direction of the river. We certainly need it," he said, expanding on a theme presented in former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm's earlier presentation.

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:41 AM
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1. He's absolutely 100% correct!
And btw, where's Scott Ritter?
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:41 AM
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2. Hard to come up with better imagery than that.
Horse turds. Describes * policy perfectly. :)
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:44 AM
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4. "Changing the direction of the river"
"I think if we paddle this boat hard enough we can change the direction of the river. We certainly need it..."

Good quote. Kind of describes the incredible battle we have ahead of us in order to repair the incalculable damage that has been done to the American image and reputation overseas and its intelligence networks.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:50 AM
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7. Senator Rockefeller:
"This is the most dangerous moment in American history."


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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 06:21 AM
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10. Indeed!
I think I'll post that quote on my wall!

I really admire Joe Wilson.
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:42 AM
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3. I love it when...
..people in power say what the rest of us are thinking!
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 06:20 AM
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9. Hi, drmom
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:45 PM
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22. Thanks!
It's nice to be here!
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:46 AM
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5. And that's coming from a career diplomat.
:bounce:
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:14 AM
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8. Gooooooooo Joeeeeeeeeee.....
:smoke:
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:47 AM
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6. Not just any ambassador...
That's Joe Wilson, husband to exposed CIA operative Valerie Plame!

If words carry thunder, they'll come from this man.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:09 AM
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11. Morning kick.
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:58 AM
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12. Wilson's pegged The Little Turd from Crawford.
Everything George W Bush touches turns to crap.



SINK the BFEE!

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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:34 PM
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27. LOL!
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:00 AM
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13. I don't trust Wilson
He's been shown to be a serial liar. With 'friends' like Wilson, we don't need enemies.

We should admit that Wilson's story has collapsed.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:05 AM
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14. Exactly what lies are you talking about?
nt
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:06 AM
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15. "He's been shown to be a serial liar"
Do you have proof of that?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:08 AM
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16. Wilson's story has collapsed? Where did you hear that from,...
...the NeoCons? Or perhaps it was from Susan Schmidt's poor attempt to smear Wilson in her Washington Post article?

I don't guess you've read Josh Marshall's responses, have you?

<http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/>

Now who's a "serial liar"?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:10 AM
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17. Gee. The guy told the truth about the "Uranium... from Africa."
And for that the BFEE committed treason by exposing his wife and her undercover CIA counter-WMD network.

So, please, tell me when did he lie?
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:14 AM
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18. Before we get to "serial", please cite one lie.
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 08:15 AM by TacticalPeak
By cite, I mean refer to a specific Wilson quote, the source for it, and the counter fact(s) that support your claim that it is a lie.

If you show Wilson to be serial liar, I agree that we should not support or depend on him. That said, the outing of a CIA agent is a completely separate matter completely independent of Joe Wilson and his truthfulness.

But I will be very surprised to see your citation of a "lie", much less a series.

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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:28 AM
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19. Maybe he's talking about a different Wilson?
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 08:29 AM by Sparky McGruff
I haven't heard any of Ambassador Joseph Wilson's claims to be a lie. He did say that Karl Rove should be frog-marched out in handcuffs, and later backed off on that claim a bit. He noted that he doesn't know if Rove originated the story, but it's common knowledge that Rove did "push" the story. Did Rove leak the information himself, or just coordinate a smear campaign and try to maximize the distribution of the leaked material? In either case, Rove's actions seem pretty unethical.

Perhaps he's talking about a different Wilson? Maybe Tom Hank's imaginary friend in "Cast Away"? Possibly Ann and Nancy Wilson, from the 1980's band "Heart"? (Their song "Barracuda" is nothing but a pack of lies!).

I think we need some clarification.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:32 AM
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20. What are you talking about?
Joe Wilson is one of the few willing to speak out and be honest about this administration. You may want to read his book, tons of info re: the character of this devoted American and his dedication to this country.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:09 AM
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21. It's been a hour, Robcon...
..and you still haven't explained that little grenade you lobbed into this discussion thread.

Exactly HOW is Joseph Wilson a serial liar?

-MR
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 02:02 PM
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24. I have noticed that as things get worse for the 'pukes, that...
..."sleeper freepers" start to come out of the woodwork, lobbing their nasty little goodies in discussions and then running. No facts, no data, nothing to support their crap. It used to be that the freepers couldn't hold their winger tongues long enough to get high post counts, but not anymore. The tactic is to sow disharmony and dissension and then run.

For the life of me, I don't get it. I visited FR one time. ONE TIME and I knew it was not the place for me. I have not been back. They've got their opinions, no matter how wrong they are. I'm not going to change their minds. I have no desire to "infiltrate" their site. They really are a non-starter for me. Fine, live in your narrow, little winger world. I don't care to visit and I don't wish to try and convert you. Just go away.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 06:50 PM
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25. It's been a lot longer than an hour now
And still we wait for the explanation. :eyes:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:56 PM
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23. the Wilson story HAS NOT collapsed, that's just horseshit...
...prove it. Put up or shut up!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:46 PM
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26. Kick Pork Chop Boy!
:kick:

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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:38 PM
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28. What positions will Jack and Valerie have in the Kerry administration?
Will be cushy...no doubt.
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Jerseygirltoo Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:52 PM
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29. Not a bad idea
Joe Wilson did the US proud when he worked in the Embassy in Baghdad during the first Gulf War. He kept US citizens safe when Hussein was threatening to take hostages. He would make a good ambassador.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 11:04 PM
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30. Hi Jerseygirltoo, welcome to DU
Wilson is a true American hero, as is his mysterious wife.

They will be substantial cogs in Kerry's wheel, I suspect.
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Jerseygirltoo Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 11:22 PM
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31. Thanks
I have more free time to blog since my job got outsourced
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 11:58 PM
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32. It will take a lot of good people to straighten out Iraq.
He would seem to be eminently qualified.

Of course, there's a lot of fixin' to do in Europe, also.

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