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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:58 PM
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TNR: It's John Kerry, Stupid: Bad Messenger by Martin Peretz
Martin Peretz is an ass :grr:

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041122&s=peretz112204

I've known John Kerry for 34 years. We met in the peace movement, and I was present in 1970 when a huge convention of peaceniks rejected him as their candidate in a primary race against Philip Philbin, a Democratic hack and hawk who, through seniority, was then second in command of the House Armed Services Committee. The caucus instead nominated Father Robert Drinan, dean of Boston College Law School, who won the seat and held it for five terms, until Pope John Paul II made him resign.

Even then, no one seemed to like Kerry. (The only person I've known who really does is David Thorne, the brother of his first wife and his classmate at Yale.) Kerry's initial defeats (he also lost a race for Massachusetts' fifth congressional district in 1972) did not deflect him from his ambitions, but he deferred them to attend BC Law School and then work as a prosecutor. He got back into politics in 1982, with his election as Michael Dukakis's lieutenant governor, where his own unpleasantness was somewhat shielded by that of his boss.

He was first elected to the Senate in 1984, the same year as Al Gore. Something demonic in Kerry persuaded him to belittle Gore whenever we met. As their first term started, Kerry boasted to me that he had beaten out Gore for a coveted seat on the Foreign Relations Committee, while Gore had to content himself with Armed Services. But it was the latter committee that went on to do much of the heavy lifting of the next two decades, while J. William Fulbright's old Foreign Relations Committee went into a steep decline. Kerry also became a member of the Intelligence Committee, whose public meetings he attended sparingly and--if one judges from his book The New War--from which he learned little about the terrorist threat that he described so murkily in the last campaign. By contrast, Gore created a real record for himself: on the environment; the Internet; arms control; and nuclear strategy, where he introduced the revolutionary idea of the single-warhead missile.

Today, Democrats are overcome with despair. And I do not doubt that Bush's second term will have its abuses and its nastiness. But they should not delude themselves: John Kerry would not have been a good president; he might even have been a dangerously bad one. Next time, Democrats need to nominate not merely a candidate who they imagine can win but a candidate who deserves to.
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vickie Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:01 PM
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1. May you rot, Mr. Peretz.
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Devil Dog Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:03 PM
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2. I hate this guy.
No wonder we have no media echo chamber: the supposedly friendly outlets are run by idiots like Peretz.
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Stew225 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:04 PM
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3. Belittling John Kerry like this is
, hell, I don't blame them! He wimped out after promising not to. His ego probably hurt the Democratic Party more than anyone can know. I'll certainly never donate again.

For the record, I'm an ABB voter who contributed more to Kerry than everyone else combined in my past election history. He's a millionaire politician and certainly proved it!
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:13 PM
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4. Where Was He In January?
I mean, during the Iowa caucauses and New Hampshire primary?
Everyone was ripping apart Dean, but once Kerry came out ahead in Iowa no one could stop him.

If Kerry was really so awful, why not try to stop him while the Democrats had a chance?

Is this the way people try to comfort us the election results?
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:15 PM
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5. Peretz ripped apart Dean too
He doesn't like anybody.

Except Al Gore. I DO like Al Gore, but Peretz worships him and everybody except Joe Lieberman can rot in Peretz' mind.
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freesqueeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:27 PM
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6. Do You Feel 'Overcome With Dispair?'
I don't.

I'm worried about what will happen to this country. I'm concerned about all the good people who will suffer even though they voted for Kerry.

I'll miss John Kerry.

http://www.freesqueeze.com/kerry.htm

I find it quite strange that conservatives who either (a) predicted a Kerry victory (Tucker Carlson) or (b) actually voted for Kerry (Andrew Sullivan) are now engaged in telling all us non-Bush voters what went wrong and how we are all just flawed individuals.

These are big league hypocrites.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:43 PM
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7. This is contrary to everything that I've read...
or heard from people who went to school with Kerry (and Bush). The film footage itself, from the Yale years of Kerry, notes that he was a mover even then, and that people paid attention to what he was saying. Regardless of what this guy chooses to say -- after the fact -- it should be taken with a grain of salt.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:45 PM
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8. Peretz hates Kerry and basically every Dem
He's an unreconstructed Neocon. To his credit, he really does like Al Gore (they were close friends at Harvard, where Peretz taught Gore) - and I do like Gore, he's a good guy. Nevertheless, I get the impression there's an estrangement between Peretz and Gore. Peretz also likes Lieberman (to be fair, I think Lieberman gets a bum rap here - he'd be a horrible nominee, but I think he's a good guy to have in the party, so long as he won't slam other Dems). But other than those two, he doesn't have a nice thing to say about any of them.
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