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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:36 PM
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WatchingTheWheels - Saving Democracy from the Evangelical Vote
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 09:57 PM by Casablanca
Massive evidence of voting fraud surfaced in the mainstream media this week. Not in the form of rigged electronic voting machines, statistical anomalies between exit poll data and poll results, or boxes of unprocessed provisional votes mysteriously showing up in a Ohio cornfield. The rock-solid evidence came in the form of published comments like the following by Richard Land, quoted on beliefnet.com:
"The Bible says godly leadership is a sign of God's blessings and a lack of godly eadership is a sign of God's judgment."

This is the type of electoral analysis we've come to expect of the evangelical Christian movement since Ol' Grandpa Reagan spouted similar lines from behind the Presidential lectern. It has become so commonplace that many progressives and liberals have habitally taken to brushing off comments like this as the benign ravings of a malinformed zealot.

However, if you think about what Land's comment implies, you'll find that it's anything but benign.

It pits the entire concept of democracy against the idea of God's Will. It makes majority-rule democracy a sin, being competition to God's rule. And it makes voting fraud a divine imperative when, in the mind of the evangelical, the American electorate needs to be saved from its own inevitable tendencies to original sin.

A politically correct evangelical might say that the comment above only means that God motivates the majority of voters, Christians and heathens, to vote for "godly" leaders when they have led virtuous lives (as a reward), and for less "godly" leaders when they have led sinful lives (as punishment). They would point out that the idea of a Christian rejecting the kingmaking mechanism of democracy in America would not be in keeping with Christ's injunction to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's".

Of course, a little thought into the concept of a compassionate God puts the lie to the morally futile notion that God would smite an evil nation with evil rulers, creating an even more evil nation as a result. If Pavlov is God and men are dogs, it would be like punishing hungry mutts with starvataion and rewarding satiated purebreds with an endless smorgasbord. (Come to think of it, that pretty much describes the social condition the evangelical vote has helped to create in America.)

The main "sin" on the evangelical community's collective mind these days is abortion. It's difficult to fully come to terms with the crazymaking mindset the Roe vs. Wade ruling has created for the average evangelical Christian. If the nation you live in condones what you consider as the murder of innocent blood, how do you stand against it while "rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's"? What is Caesar's take in the question of abortion? Wasn't Caesar in the business of shedding innocent blood - specifically, Christ's? It's not only the fear of God that is engaged in this situation, but basic, hardwired maternal and paternal instincts. When primal instincts of fear and motherhood go against esoteric democratic philosophies in the evangelical mind, which do you think will eventually win out?

If you're an evangelical Christian, and you aren't ready to start bombing abortion clinics and shooting doctors, and you want to do something effective that will help you sleep at night without nightmares about lethal surgical procedures performed on defenseless fetuses, what do you do? You rig elections. You become a poll worker and link up with likeminded people, likely from your own church, to devise devious ways to make America a more "godly" place. If those heathens knew about the eternal torment and divine retribution you were saving them from, they would surely thank you for it.

How far would evangelicals go to subvert democracy for salvation? Consider this quote from Paul Weyrich, one of the first evangelicals to get seriously involved in the idea of telling Caesar what he gets rendered (again quoted in beliefnet.com):

"God gave this President and this President's Party one more chance ... God heard the fervent prayers of millions of values voters to keep His hand on America one more time despite our national sins of denying the right to life, despite ignoring the Biblical injunction against acts which are 'an abomination unto the Lord' and despite the blatant attempt to remove God from the public square."

When I read this, the first question that came to mind was "One more chance to avoid what?" The Four Horsemen? But what I was told in Sunday school about the Book of Revelation is that it is a prophecy of what will, not might, happen. If the Four Horsemen don't show up along with the Harlot and the 666 Beast, how will the faithful get to the Rapture Payoff? Given that, to the addled evangelical, God is Pavlov and us heathens are saddled with original sin, wouldn't a "godly" Christian want to provoke God's cleansing wrath on America's den of iniquity? Aren't we due for a second Flood?

What will God's Perfect Political Storm look like?

This is the crazymaking mindstate of the evangelical Christian today. On one hand, they want to hold off the approach of the Four Horsemen so that they can feel the warm glow of watching yet another heathen being yanked back into the fold by their own threat-based neural programming, while keeping their own lives as misery-free as possible. They want to delay the Horsemen's arrival until they shuffle off the moral coils, because the best place to ride out the Apocalypse is on "the other side", blessed by their earthly efforts of saving others but not encumbered by the sufferings of a mortal body. On the other hand, they know that there is only one Final Solution to the problem of original sin and the Realm of Caesar, and that is God's Wrath, of which the evangelical is a duly deputized operative of.

From this description of the God fearing, democracy-hating mindset of evangelical Christianity, you can see that it is a cash crop of political power waiting to be harvested. Give the addled evangelical a well-funded system of covert voter suppression and disenfranchisement, with a bag of tricks developed over a century of Jim Crow tactics, and you have a voting bloc ready at any time to betray its own vote and everyone else's. They will do everything in their power to devise rigged election results that falsely portray an American majority ready to vote away its rights and the original sin of democracy itself, and follow a divinely appointed ruler as God's just reward to a faithful nation.

But in the real world, it is only the latest psychological scam of the new Fascist Order - the corporatist elite. The Rapture is nearly complete, and chosen have already been removed to safe, Caribbean havens to watch - on satellite T.V. - the hapless evangelicals as they declare civil war against the last remnants of their own civil rights and the heathens who ignorantly provoke God's Wrath.

The only way to save democracy from the evangelical/corporatist vote against democracy is to ensure a voting system where every vote is counted and verified. Defending democracy can only be done by defending the voting system as the only mechanism of legitimizing leaders. Nothing can be allowed to prevent the counting of the vote, not ours or anyone else's allegiance to parties, politics, or candidates. Any one who disagrees with this is immediately in emnity against democracy itself, and therefore an enemy of the America our Founding Fathers intended and our forefathers died for.

http://watchingthewheels1.blogspot.com/

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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:01 PM
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1. Fantastic! You nailed it!
The religious right would never admit advocating an illegitimate election, or the ends always justify the means. But their actions betray their words and they would, collectively if not individually, find justification for any means if it will achieve their theocratic, God's-kingdom-on-earth, vision. And they are so brainwashed that if, individually, they ever confront a questionable means to that end, they simply ignore it, discount it, choose to believe something else.

I should know, because I'm surrounded by it, in all but my immediate family, at work, and all around this corner of the bible belt.

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:30 PM
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2. TV Evangelists--not just Falwell and Robertson
preach something very close to the old DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS They appear to believe Bush was placed in office by GOD's will. He is here to lead us through"troubled times" Some(Iam not saying all) went to the voting booth believing that the EU is going to work out the Peace Deal in Middle East(Impied here Bush is essential to look out for Israel's Interests. These believe Palestine must be returned to Jewsin order for the Rapture to occur and implement the Second Coming Of Christ. Furthermore they had been told the Main Line Churches are going have turned Left and will turn on Israel. The Signing of the Constituion by the European Union plus Arafats Impending death(at the time of the vote) moved us into the End Times. After the election You must pray for Pres. Bush and if you voted for Kerry you still must pray for Bush. I am not saying Bush believes this. i do not pretend to know what he believes. These Ministers and their followers are his constituency.

This is not written to flame. I am a spiritual person. Until we begin to understand what people are being taught in their respective religions we are going to always be behind the curve and catching up.

It is often some Democrats' response---Be dismissive and disparage their myths. While we may not share their beliefs we sure as heck
better understand where they are coming from. Insulting peope is not the answer. To me this says we had best support liberal churches when they try to make their voice heard.




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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:03 PM
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3. I understand where they come from because that's where I come from.
I was raised in a church that buys into the whole Revelation/End Times/Israel/Rapture/Tribulation/Armageddon thing. Funny thing happened as a grew up, though; somewhere along the way I learned to think for myself and discovered far more than the singular view held by so many.

I'm still very spiritual, still involved in church (most recently been serving as church pianist for the past 5 years!), and still proudly consider myself a Baptist. Not the Disney-boycotting, homophobic, keep-women-in-their-place Baptist that most people think of. I proudly stand in a tradition of Baptists that uphold the separation of church and state, proclaim the priesthood of the believer, and whom were persecuted for their stands against state-sponsored religions of generations past. Aside from the consequences of a future that the religious right seem determined to make a reality, my biggest fear is a new state-endorsed church that weds the power of the government with the power of blind faith to further persecute any who disagree or otherwise stand in their way. That notion was anathema to my Baptist forebears; it is even more repulsive and frightening in this global age.

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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:55 AM
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4. Bingo!
I came from a pentecostal background. Assemblies of Ashcroft, as it were....

It's the same dogma in that sect as was in yours. I've been VERY disillusioned with the hard right christianity..even started to doubt Christianity altogether! I no longer attend a church..none appeal to me at this time, but I still cling to a spiritual belief in a GOD.

I'm glad to see that people are discussing the issues of "Faith" now. I believe it is a GOOD thing to understand what the hard right is thinking in order to find a solution to all of our problems as a nation. I'm also glad to see people like you point out that NOT ALL, maybe NOT NEARLY ALL Christians--fundie, Catholic, or otherwise--subscribe to the current rampant twisted Apostate message that is sweeping so many sects. Without this advise, we could see a huge backlash against perfectly innocent, well meaning, innocuous "believers" who are ALSO AMERICANS...

I think it's imperative we keep that in perspective. Don't let us throw the baby out with the bath water thinking ALL Fundie, Catholic etc Christians are part of this Dominionist Movement. Heck, not nearly as many Christians even bother to vote, as the media leads us to believe!

In my view, the hard right dogma that has swept many of the churches is a simple evil plot. They've joined hands with the hard right fascists to form an "Unholy Alliance"....which ain't good!!!

I hear ya on the subject of one world religion...I see how that could manifest and I don't like it. Let's try to separate out the twisted "Gospel" from the pure gospel and it's adherents so we don't persecute the WRONG people ...

Peace~~SB
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:52 AM
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5. Assemblies of Ashcroft --- LOL!
You make some great points. Just as not all blue-staters voted blue or all red-staters voted red, not all evangelicals are fanatic, theocratic nut-jobs. MANY are just simple, well-meaning, good-intentioned folks trying their best to do what's right. Their only "fault" is that they hear only one side of the argument and blindly follow because they don't know there are other issues to weigh and other spiritually-grounded viewpoints to consider.

The current administration has blatantly pandered to the religious right, and together they have duped a large number of Christians into thinking their way and God's way are one in the same. Hard-core fanatics are the ones who immediately write me off as a heretic, and argue instead of discuss. But I know of others who are surprised to learn that it is possible to be a Democrat and still be a Christian. They are the ones who will discuss rather than argue, and I can explain my views and opinions to our mutual benefit. I'm certainly not converting them in masses, but they can be reasoned with, and therefore some can be reached.

Democrats, if they are to succeed going forward, must reengage in the dialog of faith, and shoot down the stereotype that we are nothing but a bunch of pagans, atheists and God-haters as the right has so effectively defined us. We need to turn the tables and highlight our inclusiveness, convince the masses that we have room enough for people of ALL faith as well as people of no faith. The strength that comes from diversity can be difficult to direct and control, but it is far greater than any strength derived from unity and conformity. And we must do this, not only to take back our country from the theocratic lunatics, but even to save the world itself from the fulfillment of their frightening end-time prophecies. The future is in God's hands, not theirs.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:20 AM
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6. Yep...nailed it!
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 10:20 AM by Spiffarino
This is what I've been trying to tell people...BAPTISTS were among those responsible for separating church and state long ago.

They were persecuted in Europe for many years and were well aware of the horrors of theocracy. That's why so many came here.

I've seen so much Baptist-bashing in the progressive internet community (not much here thank goodness) and it's wrong-headed. Folks, ktowntennesseedem proves that Baptists are not the enemy. There are progressive Baptists just like there are progressive Presbyterians, Methodists, Catholics, etc.

I'm an Episcopalian living in heavily Baptist territory in Western NC. I know that most - regardless of politics - believe in social justice, human rights, and compassion for the less fortunate. Don't let the "Fundevangelican" power elite fool you...they do not represent the majority of Christians in this country.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:39 PM
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8. These days the word "Baptist" produces a mostly negative response.
Thanks to the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention in the '80s & '90s, Baptists are mostly defined by what they oppose (abortion, homosexuality, gender equality, drinking, dancing, Disney). But it was not always that way. We used to be defined by what we were for: church/state separation, religious freedom, priesthood of the believer, local church autonomy, social justice, respect for others. Those ideas were considered progressive only by non-Baptists; Baptists themselves would have considered them quite mainstream. Though I am embarrassed by much of what passes itself off as mainstream Baptist these days, I am still proud of my legacy.

Thanks, Spiffarino! The enemy is not Baptists or Evangelicals or any other identifiable group; the enemy is fundamentalism, a parasite that has infested many religions and diminished if not destroyed their capacity for good. This is the same fundamentalism that we fight under the banner of "terrorism." The same fundamentalism that can just as easily consume us from within as from outside.

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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:55 PM
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10. Great thread! Here's something I posted earlier
about Baptists and Church/State separation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=85389#85401

Roger Williams, founder of the Baptist tradition in America, was a dissident in Puritan Massachusetts who was expelled from the colony and went to Rhode Island to form a religiously tolerant society. It is to Williams that we owe the notion of the separation of church and state. He recognized the perils of state interference in religious affairs (he wanted to protect the “garden” of the church from the “wilderness” of the world), and, as a religious minority himself, he sought also to protect the rights of religious minorities from the government. He cherished the notion of “soul liberty,” which, ostensibly, at least, is one of the cornerstones of Baptist beliefs (along with, of course, adult as opposed to infant baptism). Throughout American history, at least until the late 1970s, Baptists have been fierce guardians of the First Amendment and the separation of church and state.

More at:
http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/balmer.htm

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montieg Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:41 AM
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7. Just one suggestion about the word
"evangelical". This is another example of their framing the issue. Evangelical is not as negatively connotated as the proper term: "fundamentalist". I think we should never miss an opportunity to use the word fundamentalist. It connotes so well to "Shi'ite".
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:44 PM
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9. You said it! See my reply to Spiffarino
The enemy is fundamentalism; spread the word!



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