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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:42 PM
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Gearing Up for the Draft
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 07:43 PM by bemildred
I was thinking when I wrote the Zugzwang piece that a "Pearl
Harbor" event around Christmas might be seen as a "solution" to the
problem of getting support for the draft. I'm glad this guy said
it so I don't have to.


There’s only one way the American people will accept the reinstatement of the draft. There would have to be “a massive casualty-producing event” on American soil. That’s it. There’s simply no other way Bush can get the popular support needed. And, since we’re able to figure that out, it’s certain that White House planners-and-schemers have figured it out, too. This sets us up for some very ugly scenarios, including the possibility that we’ll be seeing more terrorist “events” sometime in the near future.

We’re hearing stories almost daily about how “stretched” the military is. A recent army survey discovered that only half the soldiers are planning to re-enlist. Elaine Monaghan reports from the Times of London that: “The US military is fighting desertion, recruitment shortfalls and legal challenges from its own troops.” She also notes that, “a further sign of strain can be seen in the Army's decision this year to mobilize5 , 600members of a pool of former soldiers that can be mobilized only in a national emergency,” and that, “Forty per cent of the138 , 000 (National Guard) troops in Iraq are part-timers who never expected to be sent to the front line.”

These are signs that the military is understaffed, demoralized and seriously overextended. It needs more “warm bodies” to fill their depleted ranks, and it needs them soon. The state of affairs in Iraq is quickly deteriorating. The siege in Falluja did nothing to quell the resistance, and for all practical purposes, the situation is getting worse. Stop loss rules have been enacted, forcing soldiers to stay in the military well beyond their original commitment, and tours of duty have been extended for everyone presently in uniform. Those who watched CBS’ 60 Minutes last Sunday saw how the Defense Dept has even called a 55 year old woman back to duty to serve in Iraq. These are signs of desperation, and a clear indication that the draft will be reinstated. Casualties in Iraq are also high, increasing the pressure on the Pentagon to come up with more men.

Consider the comments of Paul Craig Roberts in a recent Counterpunch article: “According to the US military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany, the hospital has treated20 , 802US troops for injuries received in Iraq. According to the Pentagon's figures,54 % of the wounded are too seriously injured to return to their units. If that figure is correct, it would mean that the resistance fighters have put11 , 233US troops out of action. Add in the1 , 254US troops who have been killed for a total of12 ,487. That's9 % of our total force in Iraq and a much higher percentage of our combat force.”9 % in less than two years. If that doesn’t show how badly the war in Iraq is going, then this will. Roberts says that the Pentagon has begin “redeploying the disabled” because “we have no more troops to throw at the few thousand lightly armed Iraqi resistance fighters who have tied down eight US divisions.”

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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:51 PM
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1. In order to believe
that Bush would stage an event on American soil you must be the type of person who also believes that Bush forces subverted free elections in Florida in 2000, in Ohio in 2004, lied about WMD's in Iraq, really believes that Social Security is in dire need of repair, that the No Child Left Behind bill is really about a good education, that Ashcroft is really sane, Rumsfeld is really competent, Cheney is not padding Halliburton's bottom line and they all knew nothing about the torture of helpless prisoners.....

Well do you? :bounce:

I sure as hell do!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:00 PM
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2. You would also at least strongly suspect that they were in
on the ground floor on 9/11.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:09 PM
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3. I might say that
I wish Bush and Cheney had been on the roof....but that would be in bad taste.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:11 PM
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4. No, of course not.
Bush is a good christian with high moral values.
:puke:
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 08:42 PM
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5. I wish we would stop talking morals and
start talking ethics. People understand ethics.
Morals can be anything you want them to be.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:17 PM
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6. No, of course not.
Bush is a good Christian with high ethical values.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:17 PM
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7. I almost think the American People would accept a draft w/out this
on the grounds that they have to be the stupidest people on earth right now.

Although most of the time I'm a bit more rational and I believe A SECOND
staged terrorist event would have to be implemented.

Hold on to your hats!
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:39 PM
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8. way harsh
I refuse to believe that my fellow Americans are as you suggest....it is just much to counterproductive to villify them as such. It is also a less than efficient way to win them to our side.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:03 PM
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10. Although I stated "Although most of the time I'm a bit more rational"
If you noted that part.


Also, I'm sorry when there's thousands of people getting killed for colonial purposes, at this point I will villify anyone supporting this shit.

It's also time to grow up and realize that the term "My fellow Americans" is completely childish.

It's time to start talking about "My fellow Human Beings".

Let's talk about patriotism for the human race and not countries.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:01 PM
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9. Nah, gotta have an incident, and not only that,
it has to be traced back to the "Iraqi Resistance" or
"Al Zarqawi" or something like that. We need them lining
up in droves to go fight in Iraq.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:07 PM
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11. Although I stated "Although most of the time I'm a bit more rational"
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 02:08 PM by clem_c_rock
Also, can you elaborate?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:15 PM
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12. Yeah, no offense, I'm usually more "sensible" too.
Can't really elaborate, just pulled it out of my ass based on
general considerations and historical examples. I don't feel that
a "Gulf of Tonkin" type incident will do the job here, and if it
doesn't trace back to Iraq the pressure will be to open another
front in the war of Us against everybody else.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:39 PM
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13. totally agree
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:55 PM
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14. i agree that another terror attack on our soil would be the only
way to get the sheeple to allow a draft.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 05:33 PM
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15. 9/11/01 didn't spur the masses to join the armed forces, so why
would a repeat of 9/11 do it?

In light of the problems in Iraq and how our military grunts called Rummy on the carpet and it got into the media, I don't think a repeat of 9/11 will spur the masses to join the armed services. I think that it may spur the masses to call for the heads of Bush & Co..
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 05:47 PM
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16. We deserve such good news for once!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 06:26 PM
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17. I didn't say it would work, I said they might consider trying it.
I mean it's worked before. I expect the Congress would roll over and
play dead with no encouragement at all, but getting people to show
up for induction instead of heading for Canada is a different problem,
especially when the government has been busy these last twenty-five
years telling the underclasses they are on their own as far as domestic
policy.
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