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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:03 PM
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Conservative Students, Liberal Profs
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/12/28/academic.freedom.ap/index.html

Okay, I'll be honest--in college, my American Histories professor gave us a reading list of carefully-selected fiction and biased non-fiction designed to reinforce his political beliefs. Lefty or Righty, that's horsecrap. I quit attending class and reading the crap, and I still graduated with an A- because I dropped in and took the final. Didn't even fulfill the essay requirement, but I praised the same ideals he made it obvious he believed in...and that was all he cared about.

Money well spent, huh?

NOW students are suing universities over their reading lists.

(AP) -- At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.

In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student allegations of left-wing bias by professors. Faculty get hate mail and are pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher received a death threat.

And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of administrators.


How DARE higher education challenge our prejudices? How DARE they?

The future is SO screwed.
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JaneDoughnut Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:09 PM
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1. Wish I knew more about it
Do you have a link? It sounds like this individual prof was definitely in the wrong, but we should take these stories with a grain of salt. There is a mobilizing effort on the right to attack universities, which they see as one of the last evil liberal strongholds.
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:20 PM
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3. Clarification
The link's at the top, but only the stuff in the quote-box is FROM the article. The bit about the reading list and the faked final, that's personal experience from years ago.
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JaneDoughnut Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:34 PM
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5. Sorry
I must be sitting at the computer screen too long and losing my eyesight.
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Just_a_rancher Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:15 PM
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2. Very Popular
This is becomming a very popular movement of the 'College Republicans' who are looking for something to do. I've seen this type of stuff quite a bit recently at the local university.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:22 PM
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4. Yup. Just goes to show what "being in the majority" means . . .
Yup. Just goes to show what "being in the majority" means . . .

And, as for (OP) coursework material being "slanted," that's a view that's in the eyes of the beholder as well as someone who wants to beef but do nothing about it. After all, tis YOU who is paying the damn tuition. Wha? You have no voice? Or are you barking merely to make noise or do theatrics?

College students who *feel* disenfranchised? ROFLMAO !!! tsk, tsk, tsk.






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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:58 PM
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10. But Repuke students ARE a minority on campus.
Somewhere near 60% percent of college students tried to vote for Kerry, though in some states they were quite systematically disenfranchised. See further info in my post below. :headbang:
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:56 PM
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6. Fascism on the march
Fascists always make intellectuals one of their first targets. Can't have them around exposing what the fascists are really about.
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Menshevik Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:53 AM
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7. this is annoying
Whenever I had a liberal prof, the college rethugs would jump all over him or her whenever a political issue came up (and I was a polisci major, so this was quite often.) However, whenever we had a conservative prof...I remember most clearly a former Reagan administration lackey who loved to spout his beliefs...the liberals would just sit back and let him spout because we knew it was all BS anyways
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:10 PM
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8. Politics in college
To this day I am glad that in the late 90's I decided to go the hard science route and not into poli-sci. I grew up in a heavily Republican area and would have joined the College Republicans because I knew no better.

I decided it was not worth it and took the neutral ground through College. (I still thought the Clinton-hunt was stupid then)

Now, being more mature I can see I made the right decision as I started paying attention again post 9/11.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:47 PM
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9. Voters under 30 broke for Kerry over Bush 54%-44%
And they were the ONLY age group that did so clearly vote against Bush.
The kids are allright.

Yeah, we know the official results were a bit rigged and in most places Baby-Boomers probably broke for Kerry too. But if you want to get into some other estimates, a cell phone opinion survey mainly aimed at college students found 60% wanted to vote for Kerry, only 30 some % wanted to vote for Bush, with several percent going to other little parties.

The kids are allright.:yourock:
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JaneDoughnut Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:16 PM
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11. The kids ARE alright.
And they have a lot of responsibility on their shoulders.

"I believe there is still something inherent in the fabric of America worth saving, and that the fortunes of the entire world may well ride on the ability of young Americans to face the responsibilities of an old America gone mad."
-Phil Ochs
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eauclaireliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:53 PM
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12. *YAWN*....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Now, conservatives have adopted much of the same language in calling for a greater openness to their viewpoints.

Yeah, well here's the situation: the RW clowns are comprised of social retards and Xtian conspiracy nuts. They are the minority because they have NOTHING RELEVANT TO OFFER academia. Period.

Conservatives claim they are discouraged from expressing their views in class, and are even blackballed from graduate school slots and jobs.



If it IS true that college instructors are getting politically biased in their curriculum-especially when it's not relevant-then that individual has no business on the faculty. This article doesn't come up with any factual incidents, just the usual whining and crying.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:12 PM
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13. More manufactured controversy
right out of Goebbel's playbook.

And guess who's propagating it now... CNN- big surprise.

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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 06:53 AM
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14. perhaps conservative students are discouraged from expressing their views
in class because they're marginally intelligent crackpots.

it would never occur to them in a million years that the reason their professors don't want them to speak up isn't because of what they believe -- it's because they wouldn't have anything of substance to add to the discussion; i.e., they're either frat boy dumbasses or twitchily nervous ultra-geeks.

by the same token, they don't get slots in graduate school because they're crazy as shithouse rats.

they're not offered jobs because people couldn't stand to be around them.

but nooooo. it's all about the poor, beleagured, persecuted, whining, spoiled conservative college students. everybody's out to get them. waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:59 AM
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15. Good post
that is about right. Suddenly "personal reponsibility" goes down the tube when the "who you know" approach wears off.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:54 AM
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17. You said it brother! You forgot LAZY too!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! :cry:

Fucking crybaby dipshits, too lazy to read books!

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 01:45 PM
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16. heh... when I was in college, conservative students stayed in the
Edited on Fri Dec-31-04 01:47 PM by ixion
business college.

It will serve no good purpose to erudition and academia to have them forcing their bogus science onto professors. They demand equal time for lies? I don't think so.

Really, academia has enough problems with dogma as it currently is without introducing a bunch of neocon hogwash.



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ExclamationPoint Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 02:52 PM
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18. It's simple
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 02:52 PM by ExclamationPoint
Smart people go to good colleges. Smart people are democrats.

Rich people also go to good colleges. Rich people are republicans.

Smart people have sense and reason. They have respect for their professors because they know they are people of knowledge who pass on that knowledge to others, which they understand is a noble profession.

Rich people have power. They overreact to irrelevant things and refuse to listen to reason. They disrespect their professors because they think that if someone disagrees with them, they are evil.

Simple.
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