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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:58 PM
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When the next "terrorist" attack happens
That's right, WHEN, not IF. The BFEE has all but assured that another terrorist attack will happen in the US.

I am not sure how it will play politically. So I ask the great minds at DU (and you too bunnyhop - j/k)

Do you think, when the US is attacked again it will:

A. Make Bush untouchable? Create so much more fear and anxiety that all reason goes out the window and the Bush Cartel goes unchallenged? Will it reaffirm (falsely) people's faith in him as a leader simply because the alternative is so frightening?

or

B. Destroy what's left of Bush's credibility? Will people see it as another failed security debacle? Will people see it as a result of Bush's policies? Will it be the knockout blow to his illegitimate pResidency?


Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions for choice "C."?

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:00 PM
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1. I, for one, will not give him the benefit of the doubt.
Like I did after 9/11. I suspect I'm not the only person who feels that way.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:07 PM
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4. I suspect our feelings will be irrelevant.
9/11 was allowed to happen in order for the unelected SOB to consolidate his power. About the only lesson of history that this arrogant bunch of thieves has learned is that people will back a bad leader when they are threatened.

Another attack on that scale will allow him to ram PatriotII through, dissolve Congress, cancel elctions, and declare martial law. Whether or not he actually does these things, you'll have to admit that, given the intense anti-democratic bias of this gang of fascists, it is a distinct possibility.

In any case, if we get another large scale attack, it's going to be a very bumpy ride, indeed, as fools mistake macho swaggering for leadership.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:04 PM
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2. halloween 2004
That's right, a few days before election day, a massive attack will strike a liberal stronghold where bush is most likey to lose (obviously all of america)... but somewhere like the bay area... and as the bushinghis khan administration plans it, likely the attack is designed to kill a few high profile liberals, even a democratic presidential candidate if they can do it... that would cement public paranoia for a radical coup 2004 and a suspension of the november 2nd poll.

Its already planned and on the calendar... clearly you have not read your 2004 calendar yet. ;-)
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:05 PM
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3. Depends on the attack
If it were another massive one, like the WTC, I think it would be damaging to Bush.
A series of smaller car-bomb type things would probably help him.

Just my two cents.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:11 PM
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5. I don't believe in a terrorist attack before the election
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 07:19 PM by BonjourUSA
Because Bush is very good candidate for the terrorists. It would be a strategic mistake to do anything which could weaken him.

After… It's another story. The next president should be "well-elected" to resist.
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:13 PM
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7. Bush IS one of the terrorists
Whatever is good for Bush, is good for terrorism.
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Scottie72 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:12 PM
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6. Bush reaction.....
My fellow Americans, in these trying times it is important for the United States to have a consistancy in leadership. Therefore I am going to suspend all upcoming federal elections so the continuality of our leadership is not broken in any way. I want to assure all Americans that this administration will restore regular elections once we have prevailed in our great war on terror.

God Bless our freedoms and democracy and God Bless America.

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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:14 PM
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14. Can't we get the UN or NATO to take out Bush?
I mean fuck, all the elections we've gotten involved in, can't we get the same? We really need help.
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Resistance Is Futile Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:14 PM
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8. A | C
A. The sheeple will vote for any strongman who can promise to 'make them safe.'

Choice C would be a massive attack just before election day. Terror code red, national curfew, and elections cancelled. Where this ultimately goes is anyone's guess but it's unlikely to be pretty. Civil war could be a possibility if some components of the armed forces decide to throw the junta out of office at bayonet point.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:29 PM
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9. Another massive attack? B and C
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 07:33 PM by Astarho
If it's a 9-11 type attack with destruction and massive loss of life, I would say:

B. Destroy's what's left of Bush's credibilty and people see he could not protect us despite his Homeland security and all the other shit he's pulled.

Which unfortunately brings us to

C. Bush declares martial law (but of course he won't call it that. "Terra Alert Red" or "Emergency Countermeasures" or something like that will do. )
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:30 PM
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10. I don't think it would be good for *.
I think the words Homeland Security will come up very fast and * will be questioned on why $ is going to Iraq instead of our own HS.

You know what I think the scenario will be. I think they have it planned (Rove-style) to start dropping hints about an attack, notice how much information we heard on the news: airplane hijackings; 5-men groups; cameras as weapons... :wtf:

Then while * is in Crawford, suddenly they will pretend (they are good at that) that they averted a MAJOR attack by parading out 5 ME men who they arrested and oh yeah, the men told them they were traiing in Iraq. THAT'S THE SCENARIO.

Doesn't * look good? Good enough to be elected!

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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:39 PM
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12. I better get my passport ready
I have a feeling that this country is doomed.

O how I hope I'm wrong!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:39 PM
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11. A
There WILL be another terrorist attack, and people will be dumb enough to trust Bush.
Why?
He can always blame the CIA.
They have already proven that they are Bush's personal whores.
And BushCo will recieve no blame.
Hitler didn't become the unquestioned leader of Germany overnight, remember.
We are seeing the buildup of the Bush Empire right now.



And what if there is no terrorist attack?
That is even more terrifying.
What is happening now is we are being forced to see that we can either support Bush and his perpetual war, or suffer terror attacks.
Call it what you want, I call it a direct threat from the administration.
They are telling us that if we step out of line, we will pay the price.
They know that they are untouchable.


I swear, these facist assholes make me want to scream.



And please allow me to pose one question:

Is there anyone here who does not believe that we were sold out on September the 11, 2001?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:48 PM
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13. Any Attack Will Strengthen The Hand Of The Right
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:15 PM
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15. Can you elaborate?
?
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:17 PM
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16.  Just guessing, but
I think attacks will now be on a monthly basis and they
will be everywhere but in the US.

Most likely targets: coalition of the billing plus Mexico,
maybe Canada
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:27 PM
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17. hannibal lecter(?)
Copyright © 1995 by Ward Churchill. Reprinted with permission from Ward Churchill, Since Predator Came (Littleton, CO: Aigis Publications, 1995). This essay originally appeared in Indigenous Thought, Vol. 1, Nos. 2–3 (March–June 1991).

snip>
The Specter of Hannibal Lecter
At this juncture, the entire planet is locked, figuratively, in a room with the socio–cultural equivalent of Hannibal Lecter. An individual of consummate taste and refinement, imbued with indelible grace and charm, he distracts his victims with the brilliance of his intellect, even while honing his blade. He is thus able to dine alone upon their livers, his feast invariably candlelit, accompanied by lofty music and a fine wine. Over and over the ritual is repeated, always hidden, always denied in order that it may be continued. So perfect is Lecter's pathology that, from the depths of his scorn for the inferiors upon whom he feeds, he advances himself as their sage and therapist, he who is incomparably endowed with the ability to explain their innermost meanings, he professes to be their savior. His success depends upon being embraced and exalted by those upon whom he preys. Ultimately, so long as Lecter is able to retain his mask of omnipotent gentility, he can never be stopped. The socio–cultural equivalent of Hannibal Lecter is the core of an expansionist European "civilization" which has reached out to engulf the planet.
In coming to grips with Lecter, it is of no useful purpose to engage in sympathetic biography, to chronicle the nuances of his childhood, and catalogue his many and varied achievements, whether real or imagined. The recounting of such information is at best diversionary, allowing him to remain at large just that much longer. More often, it inadvertently serves to perfect his mask, enabling him not only to maintain his enterprise, but to pursue it with ever more arrogance and efficiency. At worst, the biographer is aware of the intrinsic evil lurking beneath the subject's veneer of civility, but—because of morbid fascination and a desire to participate vicariously—deliberately obfuscates the truth in order that his homicidal activities may continue unchecked. The biographer thus reveals not only a willing complicity in the subject's crimes, but a virulent pathology of his or her own. Such is and has always been the relationship of "responsible scholarship" to expansionist Europe and its derivative societies.
The sole legitimate function of information compiled about Lecter is that which will serve to unmask him and thereby lead to his apprehension. The purpose of apprehension is not to visit retribution upon the psychopath—he is, after all, by definition mentally ill and consequently not in control of his more lethal impulses—but to put an end to his activities. It is even theoretically possible that, once he is disempowered, he can be cured. The point, however, is to understand what he is and what he does well enough to stop him from doing it. This is the role which must be assumed by scholarship vis–à–vis Eurosupremacy, if scholarship itself is to have any positive and constructive meaning. Scholarship is never "neutral" or "objective"; it always works either for the psychopath or against him, to mystify socio–cultural reality or to decode it, to make corrective action possible or to prevent it.
It may well be that there are better points of departure for intellectual endeavors to capture the real form and meaning of Eurocentrism than the life, times, and legacy of Christopher Columbus. Still, since Eurocentrists the world over have so evidently clasped hands in utilizing him as a (perhaps the) preeminent signifier of their collective heritage, and are doing so with such an apparent sense of collective jubilation, the point has been rendered effectively moot. Those who seek to devote their scholarship to apprehending the psychopath who sits in our room thus have no alternative but to use him as a primary vehicle of articulation. In order to do so, we must approach him through deployment of the analytical tools which allow him to be utilized as a medium of explanation, a lens by which to shed light upon phenomena such as the mass psychologies of fascism and racism, a means by which to shear Eurocentrism of its camouflage, exposing its true contours, revealing the enduring coherence of the dynamics which forged its evolution.
Perhaps through such efforts we can begin to genuinely comprehend the seemingly incomprehensible fact that so many groups are presently queuing up to associate themselves with a man from whose very memory wafts the cloying stench of tyranny and genocide. From there, it may be possible to at last crack the real codes of meaning underlying the sentiments of the Nuremberg rallies, those spectacles on the plazas of Rome during which fealty was pledged to Mussolini, and that amazing red–white–and–blue, tie–a–yellow–ribbon frenzy gripping the U.S. public much more lately. If we force ourselves to see things clearly, we can understand. If we can understand, we can apprehend. If we can apprehend, perhaps we can stop the psychopath before he kills again. We are obligated to try, from a sense of sheer self–preservation, if nothing else. Who knows, we may even succeed. But first we must stop lying to ourselves, or allowing others to do the lying for us, about who it is with whom we now share our room.
<snip
taken from Ward's book 'A little case of Genocide'...believe it, everybody on earth is 'Indian' to the busheviks!

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