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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:02 PM
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60 Minutes: That Iraqi oil map that was flashed on the screen...
... was that the same Iraqi oil map that leaked out of Cheney's energy policy seance?
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newsjunkie Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:07 PM
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1. I was thinking the same thing
and it sure looked like it.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:03 PM
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15. Immediate recall for me too.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:10 PM
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2. I'm sure it was
Noticed it immediately. It was identical.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:13 PM
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3. That's kind of big news, isn't it?
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:17 PM
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6. This would connect the war policy with Cheney's energy task force...
that would explain why Cheney was SO gung-ho for the war

and why Cheney is so secretive about what the task force was discussing... they were poring over WAR PLANS!
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:21 PM
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8. and it really stinks that
Halliburton got no bid contracts as a result of the destruction wrought by the unnecessary Shock and Awe display,and Cheney to this day retains his shares of Halliburton and personally enrichedhimself with our soldiers lives.
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oostevo Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:15 PM
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4. Is that available on the internet?
If so, can someone provide a link?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:17 PM
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5. Here you go
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:23 PM
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9. IT IS THE SAME MAP!!!!
Jebus H.!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:02 PM
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14. Judicial Watch has an AM program which I heard yesterday...
and they are saying that most of the information in Suskind's book about the Iraqi oil contracts came from their law suit.

BTW Wonk, if you didn't tape the 60 minute interview, PM me with an FTP address.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:18 PM
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7. Anyone who says this isn't big - I don't understand. The Cheney oil
papers are in his possession...he has data...we have a smoking gun as to motive on why bushed stopped the hunt on terror...lied to the people ...to occupy Iraq.

Can anyone say this is not true?
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:34 PM
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12. I agree
He doesn't have much persona, but he has evidence. I'll take the evidence every time.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:27 PM
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10. Same one that's been on the Internet for months
Such a weird feeling, this business of being completely familiar with things that suddenly "break" on the traditional media. We were discussing that map in detail back, what, last spring? Months and months ago, anyway. Why is it big news now? Helps to have a couple of big names associated with the story, that's for sure. Context is all.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:30 PM
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11. But did we know the map was part of a pre-9/11 invasion plan?
I don't think we knew that.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:49 PM
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13. Yeah. It's a blessing and a curse.
I'm constantly being chided for attempting to discuss issues that haven't broken yet. If I quote non-mainstream news (we need a word for that) then it seems to be reflexive to dismiss what I say as "conspiracy." I'm really sick of it. And, you-know-who-you-are, don't call me "Cassandra" anymore either.

When the news finally breaks, it's hard not to say "I told you so" six months or a year or two years later and to point out that this is exactly what I was talking about. But I firmly believe that posting and discussing this stuff here has a huge impact. News bubbles up from the internet to public consciousness until the media has no choice but to cover it. BBV is a prime example.

As for those maps, here's a thread I posted July 24th. That's when we were discussing this. I'm shortening the articles from the original thread. ALL of these stories have held up.

DU Digest

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1004773,00.html
Don't blame September 11 on spy failures, says report
Gary Younge in New York
Thursday July 24, 2003
The Guardian

Nothing could have been done to stop the terrorist attacks on September 11 even though an FBI informant had contact with two of the suicide hijackers a year before they were carried out, according to a congressional report into intelligence lapses preceding the destruction of the twin towers, to be published today.

But despite objections from some senators a crucial 28 pages of the 900-page report, which criticises Saudi Arabia for its lack of interest in clamping down on Islamist extremists, has been removed from the final document.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/943558.asp?cp1=1
E-voting flaws risk ballot fraud
Scientists warn of big security holes in version of software

July 24 — Some versions of electronic voting software could allow for ballot fraud on a massive scale, computer security researchers reported Thursday. The researchers made their claim based on an analysis of computer code that was purportedly taken from one of the country’s top suppliers of voting equipment. But the supplier, Ohio-based Diebold Election Systems, said it believed the software was “outdated and never was used in an actual election.”

THE SOURCE CODE was analyzed over the past couple of weeks by researchers at Johns Hopkins University and Rice University, and their findings were posted Wednesday on the Web as an Adobe Acrobat file.


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1060064323&ei=1&en=c93f29ce
Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say
By JOHN SCHWARTZ

The software that runs many high-tech voting machines contains serious flaws that would allow voters to cast extra votes and permit poll workers to alter ballots without being detected, computer security researchers said yesterday.

"We found some stunning, stunning flaws," said Aviel D. Rubin, technical director of the Information Security Institute at Johns Hopkins University, who led a team that examined the software from Diebold Election Systems, which has about 33,000 voting machines operating in the United States.


http://www.nynewsday.com/news/ny-uscia0722,0,2289800.story?coll=nyc-topnews-short-navigation
Columnist Names CIA Iraq Operative
By Timothy M. Phelps and Knut Royce
Washington Bureau
July 21, 2003, 9:48 PM EDT

Washington -- The identity of an undercover CIA officer whose husband started the Iraq uranium intelligence controversy has been publicly revealed by a conservative Washington columnist citing "two senior administration officials."

Intelligence officials confirmed to Newsday Monday that Valerie Plame, wife of retired Ambassador Joseph Wilson, works at the agency on weapons of mass destruction issues in an undercover capacity -- at least she was undercover until last week when she was named by columnist Robert Novak.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html
The spies who pushed for war
Julian Borger reports on the shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force
Thursday July 17, 2003
The Guardian

As the CIA director, George Tenet, arrived at the Senate yesterday to give secret testimony on the Niger uranium affair, it was becoming increasingly clear in Washington that the scandal was only a small, well-documented symptom of a complete breakdown in US intelligence that helped steer America into war.

It represents the Bush administration's second catastrophic intelligence failure. But the CIA and FBI's inability to prevent the September 11 attacks was largely due to internal institutional weaknesses.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92372,00.html
Cheney Energy Task Force Documents Detail Iraqi Oil Industry
Friday, July 18, 2003

WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force appeared to have some interest in early 2001 in Iraq's oil industry, including which foreign companies were pursuing business there, according to documents released Friday by a private watchdog group.

Judicial Watch (search), a conservative legal group, obtained a batch of task force-related Commerce Department papers that included a detailed map of Iraq's oil fields, terminals and pipelines as well as a list entitled "Foreign Suitors of Iraqi Oilfield Contracts."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3079927.stm
Blair under pressure over Kelly death
Last Updated: Saturday, 19 July, 2003, 13:12 GMT 14:12 UK

Prime Minister Tony Blair has faced intense questioning over the death of Iraq weapons expert Dr David Kelly, but says judgment must wait until an inquiry is complete.

He was asked if he had "blood on his hands" during a press conference in Tokyo, where he was meeting his Japanese counterpart on the first leg of a tour of the Far East.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=2&u=/ap/20030722/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraq_criticism
Bush Adviser Apologizes Over Iraq Claim
Tue Jul 22, 7:50 PM ET
By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Stephen Hadley, President Bush (news - web sites)'s deputy national security adviser, on Tuesday became the second administration official to apologize for a role in allowing a tainted intelligence report on Iraq (news - web sites)'s nuclear ambitions to find its way into Bush's State of the Union address.

Hadley, in a rare on-the-record session with reporters, said that he had received two memos from the CIA (news - web sites) and a phone call from agency Director George Tenet last October raising objections to an allegation that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium ore from Africa to use in building nuclear weapons.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 09:27 PM
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16. Background on Cheney Energy Task Force/Iraq maps
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1005193

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