Was George W. Bush chosen by God for the presidency?

[bluestateguy]

That seems to be the consensus on the Religious Right. I mean, if he was "chosen" by God, that eliminates the need to argue that he was legitimately elected by the American people.

Have any of you ever met a person who believes that George W. Bush was chosen by God for the American presidency?

[Cha]

1. Hell, No!

Fate, yes! But fate has a way of tossing evil out, too!

[IDUDOYOU]

2. Pat Robertson thinks so

and God told Pat to invest in Liberia with the "Christian" dictator Charles Taylor so Al Qaeda could get their diamonds and finance terror in the world.
Sometimes it is hard to understand God's plan for the world. ;-)

[Catshrink]

5. Pat Robertson is a freaking idiot.

'nuf said.

[Octafish]

45. Why vote for the lesser evil? Marion worships Cthulhu.

While Marion "Pat the Chickenhawk" Robertson uses his hard-earned 700 Club loot to buy into Liberian gold mines and diamond mines in the Congo, he finds time to worship Cthulhu.

http://www.cthulhu.org/


"Hi, Pat! Whatever happened to
former US Rep. Pete McCloskey,
your buddy in the USMC?"

[Against ME]

3. I would hate such a god.

More than usual, if I believed in god, I certaintly wouldn't think he "Chose" anyone.

And if I met anyone that thought he was, I would ask when did their god become so deciptive.

[Catshrink]

4. He certainly wasn't elected -- he lost in 2000

Chosen? NO. I think Jr. is anti-Christian. He doesn't care about the poor, the homeless, the sick. His compassion is limited to his oil buddies and wealthy supporters. He doesn't care about the truth, either in his personal affairs or the public arena.

Chosen? Nope. The conservative Supreme Court selected him. He is the president-select.

He wasn't elected in 2000 and he won't be in 2004 either.

[quilp]

6. No. But I don't live in the South. n/t

n/t

[SharonAnn]

43. Yes, according to the fundies here in Tennessee

And they thank God every day for giving us George W. Bush.

Several customer offices I work with have the daily prayer chain for * as their screensaver and/or wallpaper. They each get a daily email with a link to the Web site for the day's prayer for *.

It's all I can do to work on the PCs, fix their problems, etc. and keep my mouth shut.

[Avalux]

7. Have never actually met anyone who does...but

Chimpy himself thinks so - he even talks to him. In his mind everything he does, every decision he makes is the will of God. Scary shit.

[Cha]

10. bush is a nut case...there is also a tape of him saying "when

he was in Vietnam". So he is clearly delusional. The dimwitted press just haven't caught on yet.

[LuLu550]

8. have read it on message boards

Hate to keep bringing up the evil AOL, but I read this claim on a number of AOL message boards, including posts by military types, who indicated they believed Bush was chosen by God to run the country at this time in history.
God sure does have a sense of humor, doesn't S/he?? :+
LuLu

[Bake]

9. Well, God told ME he didn't choose Smirk for ANYTHING!

He told me that, just last night.

Bake

[Cha]

11. That's good to hear~ And I believe you over that liar

bush, any day!

[Clete]

12. How long before they claim he's the second coming?

What a bunch of idiots.

[Bake]

16. Then there'd better be some nail prints in his hands!

And he's too much of a wussie to do that.

Bake

[Nihil]

75. Hollywood can fake anything these days!

The only nail prints he'll have are from his own fingers ...
"oooh yeeeeessss ... more ... more!"

[maine_raptor]

13. Not unless

you consider Thomas, Scalia, and the other 3 "GOD"


Which makes it kinda ironic that Pat Robinson is praying for a change up there. Remembers me of an old saying:

"Be careful of what you wish for, you hust may get it."

[MisterP]

14. by Moloch...

[madfloridian]

15. Yes, we have.

A lady from our neighborhood was here to give an estimate on draperies. I had just gotten a very good letter from a station manager, and my husband and I were talking about it.

Started off I said he agreed the media had to get the truth out about the war in Iraq. The lady said yes.

Then she said how lucky we were to have a president who was chosen by God. We said ...whaaat? She reiterated. My husband mentioned his questionable election. She said to the effect of Oh, NO, he did not have to be elected, he was chosen by God to lead us in the battle of good and evil.

I let her know we were evil, and we asked her to leave. I first asked why she thought we attacked Iraq.....she said oh you know because of the towers. I said Iraq had nothing to do with that, your president is letting you think that.

She said she would pray harder, that we dared not question our leaders.

That same week on C-Span I heard two callers say the same thing.

Our huge Baptist church here supported the war, calling it just and holy.

Yes, it is going on.

[Catshrink]

19. If that's the crap she's hearing in church

that church is engaged in politics and therefore is violating separation of church and state. It is functioning as a political institution and should lose its tax exempt status.

[LuLu550]

24. and they support Israel

They support Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza because God gave them that land and they have no right to give it to the Palistinians. It is necessary for the Jews to occupy all of the biblical Israel, and an all-out war in the Middle East to begin, for the apocolypse to take place and the second coming of Christ to occur.
They believe this to their core. "God said it, I belive it and that's that" is the bumper sticker.
These are very scary people, guys.
LuLu

[rasputin1952]

40. I had the same basic thing happen to me...

my answer back was, "When Clinton was in, why did you trash him constantly"?

I didn't get answer, but rather an amused, perplexed look came over his face.

:kick:

edited: my ususal crummy spelling.

[drdigi420]

69. Like I always say.........

Religion is evil. It's false, fake, and dangerous. It gives men excuses to deny their earthly accountability.

Without religion there is peace.

[Art_from_Ark]

80. Speaking of towers...

Wasn't there a story in the Bible about God getting angry at people who were trying to build a tower up to heaven? And he made them all speak different languages, so they couldn't get the task finished!

[JackSwift]

17. Could it instead be...

SATAN!!!

[freeforall]

18. Surely you jest! eom

[drscm]

20. Only if God is truly sick and sadistic. eom

eom

[Vitruvius]

74. No, but Satan is sick and sadistic. Just like Bu$h*.

See also JackSwift's post 17, above, PretzelsRule's post 51, below, and ESPECIALLY Lexingtonian's post 59 (LOL!).

[Jack Rabbit]

21. Okay, who am I to argue with God?

Fuck that. This is democracy. God gets only one vote, same as the rest.

By the way, is God an American citizen?

[maine_raptor]

25. No

since he was here before 1776, I think he's cassified as a Native American. Or maybe Naturalized? I don't know......

Somebody call Ashcroft, tell him we got to check out this "God" character.......description: in our image, habit: burns bushes (possible terrorist?)

:nonevilgrin:

[Jack Rabbit]

27. Gee, where can we go with this?

Ashcroft could send him to Guantanamo? Or even crucify him?

The more things, change, the more they stay the same.

[maggrwaggr]

47. can God create an attorney general so evil that even he can't ...

you know, like the old rock paradox.

[OldSoldier]

70. I think Ashcroft really would send God to Gitmo

This "God" character, so I've been told, believes in things that are completely against what the BFEE stands for--like compassion, charity, helping the poor, paying your taxes (didn't Jesus tell his followers to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's?), telling the truth and not starting fake wars.

I think that if Jesus Christ came back to earth today, the "Christians" would re-crucify him the first day because he'd start by speaking out against all the shit they've been pulling in His name.

[Nihil]

76. Didn't you know?

> I think that if Jesus Christ came back to earth today, the
> "Christians" would re-crucify him the first day because he'd
> start by speaking out against all the shit they've been pulling
> in His name.

I heard that he came back just before the Millenium (bang on time)
but unfortunately was shot by the IDF as a "Palestinian terrorist".
Well, he had a beard, wore one of those headresses and dared to
argue when he saw the children being murdered ... he must have been
guilty, no?

Nihil

[maggrwaggr]

48. LOL!! "Is God an American citizen?"

No, I'm afraid he's one of those swarthy middle-easterners.

Sorry, God, our facial recognition software has told us to detain you.

If Jesus was a Jew, wasn't his Dad also a Jew?

[gulliver]

22. Of course.

He was chosen by God to teach us not to underestimate the damage a bad president can do. Until Bush, no one knew just how bad a president could be, how false and dangerous a presidency, how credulous a media. Bush is a lesson that we need to think about the presidency in the future and not just assume that a dangerous buffoon can't amble his way into office given enough money and a little name recognition.

In the future, I for one will be much more watchful.

[GreenArrow]

23. Was Judas Iscariot chosen by God to betray Jesus?

By their fruits shall ye know them.

[Dob Bole]

34. Good Comparison

..not that I would ever suggest that President "Jesus Christ" Bush is a traitor... oh no.

[leesa]

26. Yes, I have several brothers who believe it and I have a few

aquaintances who have said it. At first I thought they were joking because the Republican/christian talking point is that they believe the president, any president, the leader of our country, is chosen by God, and this was after 10 years of non-stop Clinton bashing. All Republicans are hypocrits and these christians are good republicans.

The scary part is that I don't think it matters if Bush is good or not. They are simply going to follow him because they believe he will lead them to armageddon or the Rapture. They are lazy people who don't want to think or be responsible for anything.

[maggrwaggr]

49. that makes Bush the head lemming

hopefully they'll all follow him right over the cliff.

These people appall me.

My own fundie stepmom just drives me crazy. Every time you try to argue with her, she just grabs the bible and says "well I just believe what's in here. This is my law".

Then I start saying "well, what about where Jesus said to love your enemies, to turn the other cheek, to pay your taxes, to give all your money away etc. etc."

Then she gets all upset and my Dad gets mad at me for arguing with her.

She's an ignorant little woman who, after her first husband died, pulled into a gas station once and just started crying because she didn't know how to gas up the car. She was in her fifties at the time. Totally uneducated, untravelled.

[Az]

28. Would it really suprise you

If I said no he was not selected by god?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. He thinks he was.

However I feel it's nothing more than a flashback from all the drugs he did.

[okieinpain]

30. yep, but I'm not sure if it's punishment or not.

we are a group of fat lazy people.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

31. No kidding

Every time I see a fat bloated pig driving an SUV with a "Support or Troops" bumper sticker I shake my head and say,"That's what we're fighting to protect?"

[whoYaCallinAlib]

32. Thank God . . . No!

[Pert_UK]

33. Possibly, but not because he was a fair and decent choice......

If there is a God, then IF he chose to put Bush in charge of the US then he didn't do it because Bush is the holy annointed ruler and best choice for fair, decent, honest leadership.

God chose him to punish America and the rest of the world for its various sins......You can be a tool of God's work (and I do genuinely believe that Bush is a tool!) without being righteous.

The Lord works in mysterious ways......

"We are but private parts to the gods - they play with us for their sport..."

P.

[Lindacooks]

35. Gee

I didn't know God cheated and stole.

[rasputin1952]

44. Or went AWOL/deserted...

or had a DUI, or bankrupted anyone, or lied to get people to go to war.

Then again, I suppose God decided to let bush fail at EVERYTHING he has ever done...just to prepare him for the presidency.

Then again, maybe God is ticked off at US! That may be why bush got the job, just to make sure we had the experience and would become humble again.

[St. Jarvitude]

36. Divine Right of Kings

was a belief held by most pre-Enlightenment monarchs (and even some post-) that, because they were chosen by God, any opposition to them was a direct opposition to God's will. So they are "un-Christian"

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, sound familiar?

[maine_raptor]

38. Well to the Freepers.........

He's the Divine King of Right

edit due to typo

[Davis_X_Machina]

37. Daily. There are lots of them.

They would rather either die in a catastrophe or starve to death under a bridge under the leadership of a godly man than prosper under the leadership of a man who cheated on his wife, and have told me so.

[Ivory_Tower]

77. A godly man

I've seen references to him like that, but not in person, thankfully.

Would a "godly man" say "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out"?

I'm trying to remember which bible verse had Jesus saying "Fuck Pontius Pilate, we're taking him out"....

[Kanola]

39. By a god in his delusional state of mind. Crazy MTFCKER

[moondust]

41. God chose GWB to be a shoe salesman.

Somebody is just making stuff up.

[Lengsel]

42. !!!!

. . . only unless God is trying to punish us for some reason!

[maggrwaggr]

46. Yes! My fundie stepmom has said it out loud!

and my jaw just about hit the floor. I said "well that would explain everything, wouldn't it?"

Cause the American people sure didn't put him in office.

Musta been God. Or Satan, while God was taking a nap.

[Shanty Oilish]

50. Most conservatives I know (that's all too many)

...are as fascinated, though not as appalled, as we are by the circumstances of Election 2000. Most of those I've discussed it with, believe it was a typical human fiasco, if writ a bit larger than most. The media calling the election for Bush and Gore's initial concession placed Gore in the position of a challenger, of a widely assumed result.
The public perception was that Bush had been anointed, and Gore had to prove otherwise.

[PretzelzRule]

51. Nah, I think he was chosen by Satan

Speaking as a non-believer, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, of course.

Hence my nickname for him: Beelzebubba.

[zonmoy]

52. are you sure god and satan arent the same being

that would definately explain all the claims about god.

[leftofthedial]

53. Praise be to Jeebuz

Yes he was hallelujah and I'm glad we have such a righteous and moral leader.

[DemBones DemBones]

54. I'll never understand why anybody buys into the idea that Bush* is

a godly man. I just don't see any evidence. Does the RW hypnotize their followers into believing their illogical propaganda? It's not just "Bush chosen by God," it's also "Iraqi hijackers on 9/11," "the middle class benefits from this tax cut," etc.

Where I live, I would bet that "Bush was chosen by God" is preached by many clergy, including the pastors of two of the largest churches: First Baptist Church and First Presbyterian Church. Years ago, the Presbyterians were spreading the "Proctor & Gamble is owned by Satanists" story. :crazy:
Thank God I'm Catholic!

[pstokely]

56. how could P&G be owned by Satan

they give millions to Godly republicans

[supernova]

65. Uh.. not my branch of Presbyism

Years ago, the Presbyterians were spreading the "Proctor & Gamble is owned by Satanists" story.

This is not the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA), we are the largest and most mainline to liberal presby denom. Nobody in PCUSA would be caught dead spewing this stuff.

This is most likely the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). Very conservative. Makes the Southern Baptist Convention look like a bunch of 2nd grade sissies. The P&G stuff sounds right up their alley.

[Nihil]

78. Hmmm ...

Not the "Presbyterian Church USA" but the "Presbyterian Church in America"?

"Splitters!"


(For the Python-challenged:

BRIAN: Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG: Fuck off!
BRIAN: What?
REG: Judean People's Front? We're the People's Front of Judea!

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/LifeOfBrian/brian-07.html)

:hi:

[VOX]

55. I don't believe in a celestial puppeteer "choosing" this or that...

My definition of God is quite different, but that's beside the point.

Think it through -- if a God "chose" *, then it was "meant to be," and if that's truly the case, then there is no such thing as free will.

Sorry, I just can't go there.

[NotesFromAnIntrovert]

57. I saved a fabulous (Joe) Conason quote that mentions this ...

"Rudolph Giuliani announced his own opinion that 'there was some divine guidance in the President being elected'. Again, a skeptic might impiously wonder why the Lord didn't simply bless Mr. Bush with the actual majority of votes."

I've come across people who really believe that God dealt us this hand (i.e. President Bush), and it's quite disturbing.

[Not a robought]

58. Momma Babs seems to think so

I always love an excuse to roll that one out.

[Lexingtonian]

59. Absolutely.

God dropped by on Election Eve with a piece of paper. George was a little surprised at the pitchfork, the horns, the tail, and the hoof. But he signed the contract anyway- talk about a great story for the guys at the Deke reunion!

[BonjourUSA]

60. Your God would really be bushed !

[Liberal Veteran]

61. Yeah....God is all powerful but has to be subtle?

Right.

[Best_man23]

62. I told someone that if Bush was chosen by God

Then God has a bad sense of humor.

I haven't had anyone say to me that Bush was God's chosen one. However, should it happen, I do plan to tell them that they need to step off with that crap.

[rasputin1952]

63. Well now, if this holds true...

Every leader had to be chosen by God; this would include Hitler, Stalin, Napolean, Ghengis Khan etc, ad nauseum.

You can't say bush was chosen by God, without including all of the other maniacs as well. Which, if taken to its logical end, means that Saddam was chosen as well.

The argument falls flat, for if Saddam, Idi Amin and Pol Pot were chosen by God, we do not have the option of deposing them, nor do the citizens of their respective countries. In essence, we would still be under British rule if this were taken to it's logical, (illogical), conclusion. It is a ridiculous statement, especially with the hatred and vitriole spent on the former president by the same ones that use God as an excuse now.

[LeftHander]

64. "There is no god"

"Call me Fred, I'm just a man like you..."

Caddy Shack

I read once when people stop hanging onto the notion of life after death and accept that death is part of life and that is the end then we will truely live in a peacful world. This is because for those that believe in life after death the actions that they take in life do not matter. They are not responsible for the death and misery they have caused because they are following the "roadmap" to heaven.

What matters is whether or not they followed the dogma that describe the steps to salvation and life everlasting in the kingdom of heaven. So what ever the leaders of a particular faith wish to have happen in life. (i.e. Become rich and powerful and control people) They create a message that enables the followers of the faith to justify immoral behavior.

America is quickly becoming a christian fundementalist nation. The neoconservatives have latched onto this movement and are riding peoples misplaced belief's and loyalties to a "god" and "eternal bliss". They continue to funnel money to hucksters and crooks who deliver sugar coated messeges of love and salvation in return for unquestioning belief and a stream of revenue.

God did not choose George W. Bush. The people that believe in god and life after death with unquestioning blind faith chose George W. Bush.

The Christian faith has grown a dangerous faction of zealots who have tasted real power and control over people. The catholic CHurch experienced this power and in many way still does. They reached the pinnicle of control up until Martin Luther nailed his criticism of the church on the door. From that time on the Catholics have diminshed and the prodestant faiths have now begun to mature. However, the huge non-denominational christian churches that have been springing up across the country are the real danger. These are the ones delivering the neocon's messege of fear and nationalism these churches (Like Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, WI) promote the neconservative political agenda as well as the love of Jesus equally. These churches declare other faiths as cults and a threat to the freedom of those who truly love and accept Jesus as savior. They promote other faiths as evil.

I for one have no problem with people believing in a god or accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior. I don't have a problem if they worship a giant elephant in the sky or a women with multiple arms...what I have a problem with is when a person's faith is used as a tool for personal gain and to advance political policies that harm and reverse the gains that humanity has stuggled to achieve.

[supernova]

66. No, I've never met anyone

who believes this dopey garbage. You heard me, not in the heart of the bible belt have I run across this lunacy.

IMO, elections/government are one of the things God stays out of. Parents know when to let their kids run their own lives.

[drdigi420]

67. If a god actually existed.....

...there would be no Bush, no Republicans, and most definately no Joe Leiberman.

When you talk to "god", it only makes you gullible, but when you think "god" talks to you, it makes you insane.

It's time to take the country back from these religious nutballs that base their values on 2000 yr old fairy tales.

[Walt Starr]

68. Only if you consider Fat Tony to be God

Fat Tony may think that way, but I certainly don't.

[emad]

71. was george w bush chosen by god for the presidency?

only if you are spelling that as 'beelzebub'....

[Classical_Liberal]

72. No god gave us free will

That is why we are capable of sin. Without free will we could not be sinners, and it would be cruelty for god to hold us responsible for anything. Bush is not a christian if he believes that all his actions including the bad ones are directed by God.

[HawkerHurricane]

73. Yes

I've met a few "Bush was selected by God" types.
I answer in two ways:
"I thought he was selected by the Supreme Court?"
and
"What did we do to God to piss him off at us so horridly that he would punish us by making Bush President?"

[rexcat]

79. I thought he was selected by the US Supreme Court

[AntiCoup2K4]

81. Fundamentally impossible (pardon the pun)

God says "Thou Shalt Not Steal". George Bush Jr became "president" through theft of an election.

[CBHagman]

82. If he was, it was to destroy our standing in the world

I haven't met anyone who claims God chose George W. Bush (at least no one has openly said that to me), but I sometimes think that God may be punishing us through Bush.

I do know, however, at least one person who strongly believes that Bush will get his comeuppance in a big way, probably after leaving office.

[MODemocrat]

83. George W. was not chosen by my God

How could God be that wrong?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

84. God? I don't think so. No. So who could it be? Could it be...

Satan?

[chiburb]

85. Chosen or not, Fundies see him as such...

From Maha:

Fear is at the heart of fundamentalism," Armstrong writes. "The fear of losing yourself." This is true of Islamic fundamentalists like Osama bin Laden as well as our home-grown types. Liberals cherish tolerance, democracy, pluralism, and civil liberties; fundamentalists fear these values as weapons of (their)annihilation.

…It is important to recognize that these theologies and ideologies are rooted in fear. The desire to define doctrines, erect barriers, establish borders, and segregate the faithful in a sacred enclave where the law is stringently observed springs from that terror of extinction which has made all fundamentalists, at once time or another, believe that the secularists were about to wipe them out. The modern world, which seems so exciting to a liberal, seems Godless, drained of meaning and even satanic to a fundamentalist.

More progessive people, including progressive religious people, don't understand the fear. If John chooses to become a Buddhist, how does that threaten Mary, a Christian? Mary is still free to be a Christian. How does recognition of gay marriage threaten heterosexual marriage? How is a man and wife affected by what a gay couple is doing in private in another house down the street?

A wise person I know said that we all live in a box, and the walls of the box are made up of who we think we are and what we think the world is supposed to be. Anything that threatens the integrity of this box threatens us -- meaning our self-identity and whatever hegemony we subscribe to. This is true of everyone, to one degree or another. It's true of fundamentalists to an extreme degree.

http://www.mahablog.com/