Biden must GO!!!! here's why:

[buycitgo]

I just read at another forum that when he was on Blitzer today, he was asked if he could back up Dean's assertion that Cheney personally visited the CIA.

he apparently, asTOUNDingly, claimed not to know anything about it!!!!

I don't know the exact quote, but I taped it (haven't watched it yet)

well, I'm going to email that weasel, brought us Clarence Thomas, due to his utter supinity during his tenure as Senate Judiciary Chmn.

I'll include THIS first page of thirteen THOUSAND listings:

Cheney's CIA visits pressured us: analysts - War on Iraq - smh.com ...
... Cheney's CIA visits pressured us: analysts. June 6 2003. ... Cheney's CIA visits
pressured us: analysts. US searches for Saddam's remains at bomb site. ...
www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/05/1054700335400.html - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

Some Iraq Analysts Felt Pressure From Cheney Visits
... While visits to CIA headquarters by ... The exact number of trips by Cheney to the CIA
could not be learned, but one agency official described them as "multiple ...
www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0605-01.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

Some Iraq Analysts Felt Pressure from Cheney Visits (Nonviolence. ...
... reports that "senior intelligence officials" at the CIA felt pressured Vice President
Dick Cheney's multiple visits to CIA headquarters over the past year. ...
www.nonviolence.org/articles/000123.php - 17k - Jan 31, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Ray McGovern: Cheney, Forgery and the CIA
... I mean the repeated visits Vice President Dick Cheney made to the CIA
before the war in Iraq. The visits were, in fact, unprecedented. ...
www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern06272003.html - 32k - Cached - Similar pages

The Hindu : Cheney pressured CIA over Iraqi weapons?
... Vice-President's office has not chosen to respond to the substantive aspects of Mr.
Cheney's visits to the CIA headquarters or the implications of such visits. ...
www.hinduonnet.com/2003/06/06/ stories/2003060605721400.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

People's Alliance Bulletin: Cheney Visits Grand Rapids
... 06/30/03 - Cheney Visits Grand Rapids. Vice President Dick Cheney is visiting
Grand Rapids today. ... Also linked here is an article by former CIA analyst Ray ...
www.mediamouse.org/pab/archives/2003/06/ 30/cheney_visits_grand_rapids.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Some Iraq Analysts Felt Pressure From Cheney Visits
... Some Iraq Analysts Felt Pressure From Cheney Visits (snip) Former ... continual drumbeat,
not only from Cheney and Libby ... Feith, and less so from CIA Director George ...
www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-05-03/ discussion.cgi.64.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

TOMPAINE.com - Ten Questions For Cheney
... Post, June 5, 2003, you made "multiple" "unusual" visits to CIA to meet directly
with Iraq analysts. The Post reported: "Vice President Cheney and his most ...
www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8417 - 28k - Cached - Similar pages

The Salt Lake Tribune -- Cheney plants his feet in defense of the ...
... Officials at the CIA and the vice president's office have explained Cheney's personal
visits to CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., as a healthy indication of ...
www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08032003/nation_w/80838.asp - 30k - Cached - Similar pages

Here and Now : Report Says Cheney Pressured CIA on Iraq - 6/5/2003
Report Says Cheney Pressured CIA on Iraq Story aired: Thursday, June 05 ... Some Iraq
Analysts Felt Pressure From Cheney Visits -- Walter Pincus and Dana Priest for ...
www.here-now.org/shows/2003/06/20030605_3.asp - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

again, the two choices of scoundrels apply here

ONE....he's LYING, and as a plagiarist, I don't find that difficult to believe

TWO....he's UTTERLY incompetent, especially as a spokesman for his party, and should be forever banned from doing so

I lean strongly to the first, with a pinch of the second

[rainy]

1. Thanks for the post, this is important for him to know we are watching

nt

[Jim Sagle]

2. Brings to mind the old Biden joke:

Carter, Nixon, Ted Kennedy and Biden are passengers on ship which begins to sink. The following dialog ensues:

Carter: "Save the women and children!"

Nixon: "Fuck the women and children!"

Kennedy: "Do we have time?"

Biden: "Do we have time?"

[Seldona]

17. Gwar had something along those lines

on an album insert.

Was priests, lawyers, and doctors if I remeber correctly.

Great joke. Love the crossover.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. Biden has always mades me sick...he is NOT a democrat..never was

IMHO he is nothing than a repuke in dem's cloak :puke:

[bvar22]

4. He's a professional politicain who will..

..adopt ANY position, even opposing positions, that he believes will enhance his career in politics and keep the contributions rolling in..



edited to remove slur against a Dem candidate

[KissMyAsscroft]

5. Biden is a typical politician...

He is like a Hollywood stereotype politican. He is neither Dem nor Repub, just slime.

[Jack Rabbit]

6. May I suggest something?

May I suggest that we worry about ousting the junta this November and taking control of Congress before worrying about which Democrats have been too wayward and what to do about them?

Just a suggestion.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. Agreed, we need to use the Tom DeLay method...

Get the majority first then whip 'em into shape.

[LeahMira]

8. Biden is OK

ONE....he's LYING, and as a plagiarist, I don't find that difficult to believe
TWO....he's UTTERLY incompetent, especially as a spokesman for his party, and should be forever banned from doing so

I also did not see the program and so I don't know how the question was phrased. He may not know from personal knowledge that Cheney visited the CIA. Has Cheney admitted it? Or he may not have heard exactly what Dean said.

As a person from Delaware, I can say that Joe doesn't outright lie. He tells it from his own perspective, based on his own best information at the time. He doesn't claim to know what he doesn't know and he doesn't say that something is so because someone else said it is so.

He has been wrong in his judgements sometimes. He came to the University of Delaware shortly after 9/11 and told several hundred students that the terrorists were not a huge group of people, that we could neutralize them easily, and that the students shouldn't worry about wars to come. I think that at the time he honestly believed what he said. Others have caused needless wars. I think that at the time Joe never imagined such a thing could possibly come to happen as the lies that have been told. At the time, few Americans could have imagined such a thing happening.

Certainly Joe Biden is not as liberal as many, but he certainly does not deserve such venom. He certainly comes down on the correct side of many issues, and when I've written to him I've been impressed with his responses. So, I'm sure you will get a nice response from him, even if you are not a Delawarean, and that when he does reply you will find that his answer, while it may not be exactly all you want, will be a fair one.

[buycitgo]

9. all well and good, but if you read "Strange Justice"..........

you might have an opinion closer to mine than that which you currently hold.

I watched the hearings back then, and couldn't figure out why Biden CONstantly caved to the pugs.

my first real exposure to him.

and he's always pulling his punches, when dealing with the serial depredations of this junta

you have some points about his performance as a favorite son, I spose, but, limiting my judgment ONLY to his performance during Thomas will forever color my impression of him.

Thomas, for myriad reasons, is the WORST choice ever of a SC justice.

Scalia and Rehnquist run neck and jowl, but Thomas has no business being there from a competency standpoint, for starters.

that cheapjack pornhound was the BEST the pugs could come up with as an affirmative action sop. how sad

[Cocoa]

10. I doubt he said he didn't know about the Cheney visits

I didn't see the program, but much more likely imo is that he said what a lot of people have been saying, that he doesn't know if Cheney pressured the CIA analysts, and that an investigation is needed to find out.

I've never heard anyone deny Cheney made those visits.

[SteveG]

11. I saw the program

and he along with Hegel were dumping on Bush and Cheyney. Biden has his problems, but he also is very effective. He is far more liberal than his fellow senator Carper(D) - who is supporting Leiberman. Besides that, the Repuk's always run a Christian Coalition member against Biden, no Dem, and most Repuk's in DE won't go there (the repub's are mostly social liberals and pro-Choice in this state)

[Delarage]

15. I agree--two words:

Ray Clatworthy :puke:


Give me Biden any day!

[buycitgo]

12. hang on.....will copy what I read

here:

"Oh for Christ's sake. Blitzer just said that this morning Dean said Cheney had made trips to the CIA concerning WMD's and did Biden find any evidence of that, and Biden said no!"

now, I trust that person's judgment very much.

she may be wrong, but, as I said, I taped it, and will check what he said.

that segment is probably transcribed by now, too, if anyone wants to check

checking now

BTW, I hope I'm wrong about this, cause we need maximum pressure brought to bear on this, from all quarters

good for Hagel

[buycitgo]

13. special bonus package: wolf with Kay.......AND Biden

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/01/le.00.html

gotta go

have at it

somebody could start a thread with the Kay lavage, too.

if it's anything like the lick job he did the other day with him, you'll be able to skip your super bowl meal

[Cocoa]

14. just as I guessed

thanks for finding the transcript, it shows that in fact he did not say the thing that got you all worked up. What he said was closer to my guess.

[SteveG]

18. Just to make the record clear

here is the actual exchange, taken from the Transcript
BLITZER: The Democratic presidential candidate, Howard Dean, once again, insisted this morning that Vice President Cheney went over to the CIA, met with mid-level officials, analysts and, in effect, pressured them to come up with what he wanted to hear.

Do you have any evidence at all to accept that?

BIDEN: No, I don't have any evidence to accept that, but I do have evidence to know that Vice President Cheney said things that weren't accurate.

Vice President Cheney, when I was on "Face the Nation," excuse the reference, the same day he was on "Meet the Press," said on "Meet the Press," "The Iraqis have reconstituted their nuclear capability." Asked why, he said he had intelligence to that. I said, "I've got the intelligence, I saw no evidence of that. None whatsoever."

There was never any evidence of that. No intelligence person ever said that that I'm aware of. And Vice President Cheney went ahead and blandly and baldly stated it. It was not accurate.

So one of the things we have to look at is not whether or not just whether there was pressure, but whether or not the information given to the administration was properly used.

And if you notice, what you had the president on a moment ago in a clip, and he said, and I quote, there is -- he is convinced, quote, "There is a grave and gathering threat." That's fundamentally different than what he said before the war. He said there was an imminent threat. If you noticed, Wolf, he dropped "imminent" for "gathering."

BLITZER: Well, let me interrupt you for one second. Some of his aides repeatedly used the word "imminent," but the president, in his defense, he repeats he never used, personally, the word "imminent," though some of his top aides used that word. He used the word "gathering," if you will. It might be nitpicking, but that's just a point that the White House makes.

[KG]

16. biden's one of 'them'