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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:06 PM
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How does Pakistan get a pass from bu$h*
I don't get something. Pakistan. They have a military dictator who has WMDs that ARE nuclear and they have sold them to foreign nations, rumor has it that Osama lives in those parts and yet they seem to be our good pals. What am I missing?
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:08 PM
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1. We needed their help after 9/11...


And we would rather have them as allies than enemies...

Plus, we do business with India so we have to be friendly with both sides...

I totally support our friendship with Pakistan as Musharraf is doing all that he can to fight terrorists in Pakistan. It's not a perfect situation, but the alternatives are far worse....
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:11 PM
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3. And Musharaf pardoned the man who gave nuclear weapons
know how to Iran and North Korea, the other members of the axis of evil.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:11 PM
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4. Since I didn't see a </sarcasm off> I assume you're serious
The reality is really not how you describe it. How do I know? Well I don't. But since that is the BushCo line, it is false by definition.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:19 PM
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8. they have REFUSED U.N. mandated IAEA inspections
and they WON'T let us persue UBL in their territory so may i ask WHAT help EXACTLY are they providing?

thats what MANY don't get.

unless they are our NEW proxy in the region since saddam has been incapacitated?

guess we can never have to many proxies/evil doers at the ready... who knows when will NEED THEM :evilgrin:

peace
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:14 PM
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12. sorry but that is BS
Pakistan has WMD's, is trading them on the open market, is harboring terrorists .....

And they're our friends? Fuck that.

If Osama bin Laden and Al Queda actually committed 9/11, we should have invaded Afghanistan and Pakistan and FUCK what anybody thought about it.

That's the bottom line, and the fact that they did NOT do this made me smell a rat.

If we don't deal with Pakistan soon, we're gonna be some sorry motherfuckers.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:11 PM
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2. ISI, 9/11
The ISI chief wired 100K to one of the 9/11 hijackers the day before the attacks. There is more at play here than what appears on the surface. Pakistani leaders are likely part of the BFEE.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:12 PM
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5. Precisely
see BCCI
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:14 PM
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6. US is occupying it

how do you think Mush got there?
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:23 PM
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9. It appeared to be an internal matter
The PM basically tried to have Musharraf killed, he survived and his only options were to take over or go into exile.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:39 PM
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11. What did you think of Washington's reaction to the "coup?"

Can you list the cities in Pakistan where US occupiers are not visible?

There has been no attempt to keep either coup or occupation secret.

As a failsafe, Mrs. Mush picked out a lovely home in Alexandria in the fall of 01 when they came over to visit their many well-connected relatives.

CIA and ISI are old pals :)
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:15 PM
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7. BFEE friend helping the oil pipeline deal for the Caspian sea
n/t
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:31 PM
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10. Simple
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 08:32 PM by AG78
Right now, it's in our interest to keep Pakistan as a friend. Just as it was Hussein 20 years ago. And when Hussein was no longer needed, we went to war with him once after the Soviet Union fell to get into the Middle East, then another to take him out a few years later.

So if say in 2020(if we're still around on this planet), and you see an American administration say that we need to invade Pakistan because "remember, this country sold nuclear technology in the past", it will be because Pakistan will no longer be of any use to us.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:18 PM
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13. I know. kind of an easy hole to drive a mac truck through
this summer. Believe me, Kerry will. WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS, PEOPLE!

Organize groups for grassroots fundraising and canvassing and meetups.

We need to get our core groups and curious bystanders interested in toppling this regime and all of it's evil intent.

Get thee behind me, Satan! Back to Crawford you go.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:19 PM
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14. The Role of Pakistan's ISI in the Sept 11 Attacks
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html
Summary
Pakistan's chief spy Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad "was in the US when the attacks occurred." He arrived in the US on the 4th of September, a full week before the attacks. He had meetings at the State Department "after" the attacks on the WTC. But he also had "a regular visit of consultations" with his US counterparts at the CIA and the Pentagon during the week prior to September 11.

What was the nature of these routine "pre-September 11 consultations"? Were they in any way related to the subsequent "post-September 11 consultations" pertaining to Pakistan's decision to cooperate with Washington. Was the planning of war being discussed between Pakistani and US officials?

On the 9th of September while General Ahmad was in the US, the leader of the Northern Alliance Commander Ahmad Shah Masood was assassinated. The Northern Alliance had informed the Bush Administration that the ISI was allegedly implicated in the assassination.

The Bush Administration consciously took the decision in "the post September 11 consultations" with Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad to directly "cooperate" with Pakistan's military intelligence (ISI) despite its links to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban and its alleged role in the assassination of Commander Masood, which coincidentally occurred two days before the terrorist attacks.

Meanwhile, senior Pentagon and State Department officials had been rushed to Islamabad to put the finishing touches on America's war plans. And on the Sunday prior to the onslaught of the bombing of major cities in Afghanistan (October 7th), Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad was sacked from his position as head of the ISI in what was described as a routine "reshuffling."

In the days following General Ahmad's dismissal, a report published in the Times of India, revealed the links between Pakistan's Chief spy Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad and the presumed "ring leader" of the WTC attacks Mohamed Atta. The Times of India article was based on an official intelligence report of the Delhi government that had been transmitted through official channels to Washington. Quoting an Indian government source Agence France Press (AFP) confirms in this regard that: "The evidence we have supplied to the US is of a much wider range and depth than just one piece of paper linking a rogue general to some misplaced act of terrorism."

The revelation of the Times of India article has several implications. The Indian intelligence report not only points to the links between ISI Chief General Ahmad and terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta, it also indicates that other ISI officials might have had contacts with the terrorists. Moreover, it suggests that the September 11 attacks were not an act of "individual terrorism" organised by a separate Al Qaeda cell, but rather they were part of coordinated military-intelligence operation, emanating from Pakistan's ISI.

The Times of India report also sheds light on the nature of General Ahmad's "business activities" in the US during the week prior to September 11, raising the distinct possibility of ISI contacts with Mohamed Atta in the US "prior" to the attacks on the WTC, precisely at the time when General Mahmoud and his delegation were on a so-called "regular visit of consultations" with US officials.

In assessing the alleged links between the terrorists and the ISI, it should be understood that Lt. General Ahmad as head of the ISI was a "US approved appointee". As head of the ISI since 1999, he was in liaison with his US counterparts in the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the Pentagon. Also bear in mind that Pakistan's ISI remained throughout the entire post Cold War era until the present, the launch-pad for CIA covert operations in the Caucasus, Central Asia and the Balkans

The existence of an "ISI-Osama-Taliban axis" was a matter of public record. The links between the ISI and agencies of the US government including the CIA are also a matter of public record. The Bush Administration was fully cognizant of Lt. General Ahmad's role. In other words, rather than waging a campaign against international terrorism, the evidence would suggest that it is indirectly abetting international terrorism, using the Pakistani ISI as a "go-between".

The Bush Administration's links with Pakistan's ISI --including its "consultations" with General Ahmad in the week prior to September 11-- raise the issue of "complicity". While Ahmad was talking to US officials at the CIA and the Pentagon, ISI officials were allegedly also in contact with the September 11 terrorists.

In other words, according to the Indian government intelligence report, the perpetrators of the September 11 attacks had links to Pakistan's ISI, which in turn has links to agencies of the US government. What this suggests is that key individuals within the US military-intelligence establishment might have known about the ISI contacts with the September 11 terrorist "ring-leader" Mohamed Atta and failed to act.

Whether this amounts to the complicity of the Bush Administration remains to be firmly established. The least one can expect at this stage is an inquiry. What is crystal clear, however, is that this war is not a "campaign against international terrorism". It is a war of conquest with devastating consequences for the future of humanity. And the American people have been consciously and deliberately misled by their government. Whether this amounts to the complicity of the Bush Administration remains to be firmly established.

And the American people have been consciously and deliberately misled by their government.

Ultimately the truth must prevail. The falsehoods behind America's war against the people of Afghanistan must be unveiled.

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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:23 PM
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15. Daniel Pearl and the Paymaster of 9/11:
9/11 and The Smoking Gun that Turned On its Tracker
by Chaim Kupferberg

It was supposed to be the key chain of evidence linking the September 11 hijackers to Osama bin Laden - a wire transfer of $100,000 to lead hijacker Mohamed Atta. For a public increasingly skeptical of evidence culled from passports in the rubble and flight manuals in the glove compartment, here was the "money" shot, a financial trail leading to the fall of the Twin Towers. Yet less than five months later, the man initially fingered as the paymaster of 9/11 would be sitting in a Pakistani jail, accused of a wholly different crime - the murder of Daniel Pearl.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP209A.html

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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:36 PM
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16. Oh come on. We never attack anyone that can fight back. Are you
kidding? The Bush doctrine makes it a priority that you get a wmd. Only those without them get jerked around. But I wholeheatedly agree on the CIA/ISI thing. In fact, the ISI is CIA as far as I'm concerned.
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