Remember Greens: KKKers, Nazi skinheads will all be voting for BUSH

[bluestateguy]

Yes, Bush is probably not right wing enough for them, but that is who they will be voting for in 2004. There will be no right wing extremist candidate to offset Green votes on the Left. The Buchanan candidacy of 2000 helped to offset somewhat the Nader votes (Patty Buke got .4%), but there is no sign yet of a credible RW extremist candidate for 2004. Hence, all of the crazies on the Right will be voting for Bush. It's up to you Greens to decide if you will let their votes put Bush over the top next fall.

[Clete]

1. Maybe Ann Coulter can be persuaded to run for

another conservative party.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Remember Dems: It's up to you to attract Green votes

and you won't do it by running half-assed republicans for president.

I'm not a Green...yet. But, if the Dems want to keep my vote they'd better steer clear of pro-war candidates.

The Green votes are there to be had by the Dems if they can break the stranglehold that the DLC/DNC has on them. And, they're a lot more likely to vote Dem than the conservatives that the DLC/DNC bosses want to chase by moving the party to the right.

[whoYaCallinAlib]

4. Oh bandera . . . to run a lefty is political suicide.

Our best hope to win, assuming Bush doesn't self-destruct totally, is to run a moderate left-of-center candidate. That means Kerry or Edwards. Now if either of these guys is nominated, and you choose to bolt your party, then you are doing nothing less than helping elect Bush for another 4 years. If you do that, then you must be a closet Bush-lover.

[Mel]

7. do you really think

that comments like 'you must be a closet Bush-lover' are going to help?
I don't.

[Colin Ex]

11. Well...

I see where you're coming from and all, but I'm not going to take a shot in the mouth. Hopefully it won't come to that and I'll be able to vote for the Dem candidate with a smile on my Goddamn face. I won't mind Kerry, and probably won't mind Edwards.

However, I must take polite issue with your rhetoric when you say that not voting for a Democrat makes me a closet Bush-lover. Voting for Nader doesn't make anybody a Bush-lover, contrary to what you may like to believe.

Moreover, saying people who don't vote Dem are closet Bush-lovers isn't exactly a good way to make friends and influence people. So let's cool it, eh?

-C

[Andy_Stephenson]

12. I tell ya what...

I am no Bush lover...but anyone who voted War, Patriot Act or Homeland Gestapo...wil never get my vote! That is my line in the sand and I will not cross it. If the dem candidate voted for any of these...I will not vote for them. They cannot be trusted to lead or protect the Constitution.

[DavidNY]

34. You've just ruled out a large supermajority of the U.S. Congress...

including people who would make very good Presidents (I'm particularly fond of Kerry and Graham). 99% of the U.S. Senate voted for the Patriot Act, to just look at _one_ of your three exclusions, and I'm pretty sure Feingold isn't running. So you've reduced the field either to one of a relatively small number of Representatives-- who tend never to win Presidential elections in any event-- or to people who didn't _have_ to vote on any of those issues but _say_ that they would have voted the way that you want. Which is easier to say than to actually do, so that people who didn't face the tough decisions get an advantage in your analysis.

Basically, you've said you're going to refuse to vote for some very progressive candidates and some candidates who have gone after Bush very hard, because they were on the wrong side of a consensus vote. That's your right, and I wouldn't presume to tell you what politicians you "love", but realize that you will in fact be making Bush's re-election easier in the same sense that anyone too busy or apathetic to vote at all will.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. The moderates have won SO many elections recently

There was the one in 2000.

And, then the one in 2002.

President Gore and the moderate Dem majority in congress are functioning so nicely.

Aren't they? Or, did I miss something?

The last 2 elections should have made apparant the fact that running "moderate" candidates doesn't work. The republicans are running unabashed right wingers and winning. The "leftists" who voted against the war mostly won 2002, the "moderate" Dems who voted for the war, mostly lost.

Let's see: People who opposes Bush's war and all of his policies are Bush-lovers. Those who vote for his war and policies are good loyal Democrats?

Interesting take you have on things.

[Cheswick2.0]

5. bullshit

it is up to you to vote responsibly. No one's going to court you.

[Kahuna]

13. Thank you! I could care less who Greens vote for..

Just don't complain to Democrats when things get even worse than they are now.

[JVS]

15. That is a very poor campaign line.

[SyracuseDemocrat]

20. HEAR HEAR!

Cheswick hit the nail right on the head. If Greens don't vote Dem in 2004, then fuck em.

[Colin Ex]

30. A line straight out of

"How to Make Friends and Influence People," no doubt.

-C

[Terwilliger]

25. ah HAH ah HAh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

what a joke Chessie...what a poor joke

[Ardee]

29. way to go cheswick....not

You may be simply using sarcasm but I firmly believe that it is the candidates job to win my vote, it doesnt belong to any party by divine right.

I agree with GBaC that anyone who voted for that abysmal and illegal overthrow of Iraq, or the Homeland Insecurity bill will never ,ever get my vote. I consider my vote to be a precious thing, lost though it may be in the millions upon millions of others. I will think carefully before spending that precious item and it will go to that person who best typifies the direction in which I want my country to go.

Those who advocate voting Democratic as the lesser of two evils fail to sway me, and those who seek to villify by silly illogical parable are fooling noone.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Democratic candidates who voted for Bush's war

voted "responsibly"?

To quote you, "Bullshit".

[DemBones DemBones]

8. I agree. Dems can get a lot more votes by offering

a candidate who offers a real difference than by trying to get people to vote for a pseudo-Republican. We need to help people see how the cheap labor conservatives are profiting from the hardships of working people. Once people realize that the aim of all conservatives is to secure cheap labor, they realize that conservatism is not the policy for them.

[JohnKleeb]

21. I know yet ironically I am told the best way to win is to be centrist

and why the hell is that. Innocent people will still be excuted with capital punishment stll legal, people will die in wars we dont need to fight, and the poor will stay poor.

[leftyandproud]

10. thank you thank you thank you

If the dems stand on principle, they have nothing to fear. The greens will all be with them, especially if Kucinich gets the nomination.

[thermodynamic]

19. AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Principle is what counts.

And Kucinich is probably a cure-all, though I would vote for virtually all the candidates, even though certain ones wouldn't be much better than the primate-in-power* right now.

[JVS]

16. Right on!

[silverweb]

3. I'm trying...

...to do my part.

:)

[Mel]

6. let's just hope

the 'US Supreme Court 5' doesn't Select who's going to be our President in 2004, like they did in 2000!!

[DemBones DemBones]

9. I'm not sure, but I tend to think neo-Nazi skinheads and Klansmen

are disaffected enough that they don't vote. Bush* is too liberal for them.

[ButterflyBlood]

26. not unless it's David Duke or Sonny Perdue

they probably don't vote at all for federal elections because both major parties support Israel. Except they might've voted for McKinney had she been white (not that McKinney would appreciate that but since they're against the whole APIAC lobby so much they might've took an "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" approach)

[Cascadian]

14. The neo-nazis will vote Bush unless....

Pat Bucannan runs. BTW, has anybody notice that the nazi skinheads and the right-wing extremists are back on the news? I saw some stories on indymedia and other news outlets discussing this subject and it seems to me that everytime the economy goes south and when the Republicans come to power, the right wingers seem to crawl out of the woodwork. The same can be said about street gang activity too.

John

[JVS]

17. If this worries you so much, why don't you donate RW extremist candidates?

what's the matter, you can't hold your nose and fund nazi's? If not, I suggest that you don't want to beat Bush badly enough. I can sympathize though, I'd never donate to nazis either.

[thermodynamic]

18. Yup, 5% of the population is more powerful than 50%...

:eyes:

Good God, I just posted that the Dem candidate can easily get 55% of the vote - there is just so much that can be said about the idiot monkey* in power. People just need to be reminded of it when campaigning starts. Hell, if the Dems play their cards right they could get up to 70%, though I'd say they have a REAL SOLID CHANCE of getting 55-70%.

Stop giving credibility to a fringe party that can't even get enough votes to be taken seriously. It looks foolish.

Remember, Florida was the one state that mattered in Selection 2000 - the problem was the illegal activity that Jeb/Katherine caused combined with the partisan action of the Stupor-eme court who never bothered to look at all the evidence objectively (namely the popular vote). The Greens got 1.6% of the vote in Florida. THE GREENS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ButterflyBlood]

22. actually I'm not too sure on that

a brief view of the Stormfront forums awhile ago (something I'll never do again) saw them all bashing Bush for sucking up to Sharon and appointing too many Jews like Perle and Wolfowitz. Also they were against the Iraq war because they saw it as the US whoring for Israel. I also doubt they're happy about Condi or Powell being on the cabinet as well.

And I'm not too sure about Buchanan not running again. I just hope he does.

[Terwilliger]

23. Gone for two days and here it is...same old fucking thing

WOULD YOU PEOPLE PLEASE GO FALL ON YOUR SWORD ALREADY!?!?

[Redleg]

35. You first.

I guess you never initiated a Dem bashing thread?

Welcome back, by the way. I missed your caustic wit!

[Blue_Chill]

24. The greens don't care

They are not democrats and care nothing for that which is in the best interest of democrats. I'm fine with that.

I get more annoyed when they knowingly assist Bush in winning by throwing away their votes on a backstabber and then blame the democrats for a republican victory. I think some have no sense of personal responsibility.

[JohnKleeb]

27. Blue I am not sure

but I bet some Greens are disineffected Democrats. I have Green like views but I consider myself a democrat.

[Blue_Chill]

28. Well certainly not all greens are as I described

and I too share some of their goals. However one can't shake the fact that a vote for a green candidate simply does not help anyone remove Bush from office.

I would support the greens in campaigns for lower level positions. But right now too much is on the line to seriously consider them for pres.

[JohnKleeb]

31. Well Blue I agree

with you there. Dont worry about me blue I will be supporting a democrat not a green since I still will be to young. Glad you are not one of these DLC types.