Bush* has killed more innocents than the Terrorists

[Q]

- Is there a way to fight terrorism without murdering innocents?

- Isn't it strange that the US is fighting a 'war' on terrorism that's killing more innocents than the terrorists? How in the hell is this suppose to make sense to a rational mind?

- Terrorists kill 3000 innocent people on our soil and the US response is to kill tens of thousands of innocent people? What makes this worse is that the thousands slaughtered in the name of the war on terrorism didn't even live in the same country as those suspected of planning and executing 9-11.

- How can anyone...after learning all the facts...still support the attack, invasion and occupation of Iraq? Democrats especially should be ashamed if they support this atrocity.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. Simple. Unslakable thirst for Muslim blood. and unchecked greed

Add wide bipartisan support, and you have the perfect partners for a crusade!

[Q]

4. I just don't get it...

...how can we as a 'free' nation rationalize killing so many innocent human beings in a war that's supposed to be about stopping terrorists from killing more innocent human beings?

- And why the hell are Democrats going along with this insanity? Why should ONE American soldier have to die for Bush's* lies? He should be impeached and tried for war crimes.

[Malva Zebrina]

7. It is one of th ings I wonder about as I try to go off to sleep

I wonder if I am the only one who recognizes that ten thousand human beings were killed by our bombs--and all on the lies of the despicable cowardly Bush. Ten thousand! No one mentions it much--call in people on the CSpan Republican line continue to express their conviction that this murder has protected us from terrorists.

It saddens me. I had an unreasonable expectation and faith in the human being. I see now, in this country, that violence is the preferred method of dealing with most things. And that is perfectly fine--pre empt anybody

[DuctapeFatwa]

9. Decades of conditioning that "they" are not real human beings

There is an old song, "you've got to be carefully taught (to hate)," and Americans have been extremely carefully taught.

So carefully, in fact, that many, I would guess even most, don't even realize it, don't recognize it as hate.

It is just a given, an unspoken understanding, that Iraqis, Afghans, Palestinians, Arabs, Africans, are not quite regular folks, not quite human beings.

They need "help" the crusade fans will tell you, poor things, expressing sentiments that except for vocabulary could have sprung straight from the lips of an Old India Hand of yore, when talking about the "wogs," as the inhabitants of South Asia were affectionately called by their gracious English benefactors during the proto-progressive intervention known as the Raj.

It is plain old Manifest Destiny, plain old White Man's Burden, all dressed up in spiffy new Donna Karan separates.

The last few centuries have been Europe's fifteen minutes of fame, and as this fluke fades from history's radar screen, its devil-spawn tries vainly to maintain the glory days of Leopold and Victoria and all their happy band of colonizers, pillagers, occupiers and mass murderers, bringing light to the heathen to make rich men richer.

Alas for their dutiful sons, as Jeanette Jurado pointed out so poignantly, "seasons change, people change," and today's crusader finds the natives a tad more restless, rogues they are, surly and ungrateful, apparently unaware of the honor done them by their Christian masters, who seek only to bestow upon them the boon of being allowed, in their own simple, childlike way, to help keep America's defense and energy industries strong and growing.

[Karenina]

23. White Americans are just

"regular" whatever... All others require a qualifying adjective. Who also heard the remark that rolled off Bruce Morton's tongue?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1235829

What makes American bigotry and racism the worst in the world is the knee-jerk DENIAL of the effects it has on others.

[Art_from_Ark]

10. The US has always needed a common, non-Christian enemy

In the early days, it was the "heathen savages". Once it became apparent that they were going to be subdued, Americans turned their attention to the "Yellow Peril", stoking their anger toward Orientals, particularly Chinese, and Japanese. This culminated in the War in the Pacific. Almost immediately after the Japanese were defeated, the menace of "godless Communism" reared its ugly head, even though the godless Commies had been our allies against the Yellow (Japanese) Peril. Once it became clear that the godless Commies (i.e., Soviet Union) were going to collapse, a new enemy had to be found. How "serendipitous" it was that we "found" Saddam, and in the same year that the USSR collapsed.

If a few innocents got in the way of conquering these enemies, it was "no big deal". To the unwashed masses, it doesn't matter if the innocents of "them" are killed.

[Djinn]

14. It's not a "muslim" thing

it's a power and money thing, the people slaughter inVietnam weren't Muslims the people in South America weren't either, right now there's a muslim bent but that is a coincident of geography. The area they currently wish to subjugate and bring under AMerican puppet power happens to be predominantly Muslim, they couldn't care less if tehy were Christians, Hindu's or atheists, just that they have "strategic value"

[DuctapeFatwa]

16. You're right, it doesn't matter to the "management" However in order

to keep everything running smoothly, it is necessary for the masses to consider it a Muslim thing.

Try making a list of all the American movies with Muslim "good guy" heroes. Go back as far as you like.

[Djinn]

18. try looking for good Russians in movies (nt)

[PsychoDad]

20. Exactly

Our terrorism and the terrorism of our allies is acceptable to the American public, particularly when they don't have to see it on the nightly news.

And it will continue to go on, regardless of who wins in november... at least until Americans get tired hearing of dead American service men.

[keithyboy]

2. Bush IS a terrorist.

You mean more than "other" terrorists.

[K-W]

11. seconded

Lets stop buying into the terrorist identification.

[leesa]

19. My very first though. Bush and his friends are the biggest terrorists ever

Well, maybe a few in history have outdone him, but he's just getting started

[whistle]

3. Good point, any hard data on the cost...

...in innocent lives from nation responses to terrorism around the world. How many lives have terrorists taken compared to the lives nations have taken in response? And can these numbers be broken down by country?

[Q]

6. The Bushies have long ago stopped counting the bodies...

...of the victims of their war on (some) terrorism. But you can bet that SOMEONE is keeping track and there will be an accounting in the end.

[Bushknew]

12. Great Points Q, but are the numbers exactly now?

[Malva Zebrina]

5. a preoccupation with violence that is actually condoned by the corporate

state--and a dumbing down over a period of time in our education system. People, on the whole, cannot think anymore or any further than reading the latest TV guide. Further there is no joy in thinking-at least not as much joy as there is in consuming.

[sweetheart]

8. the cold war repackaged

Its not a new war. Its the same war repackaged to keep the budget.
It is a ruse, behind which the USA has made a grab for global empire
to preemptively defeat every world power whilst selling the threat
of retribution as performed-by-unconscionable zealots.

It makes perfect sense Q. The war is just a marketing spin. It is
a delusion under which we've expanded 14 central asian bases, and
planned all those oil pipelines in to existance. The global empire
is now complete and has preemtively defeated russia and the EU.

The cost of empire is dissent from those not represented. Those whos
only vote in US foreign policy is a bomb. The invasions were practice for war. Beating up a weakling is different warfare than
defeating a powerful opponent. Were america to go to war against
an israel/india/south africa alliance, she'd probably lose and go
nuclear that everyone would lose. Our armed forces give false sense
of security, whilst themselves, by their mere presence in foreign
lands, stir up more trouble.

[supercrash]

13. Come on....

Don't you know 2 wrongs make a right...?

[Q]

15. Only for those who are wrong...

- Weird how we live in a society that will charge a woman with murder for not following 'doctor's advice', but the leaders of our country can kill anyone they want and not be charged with anything.

- Bush* will never be able to wash the blood off his hands...and neither will those Democrats who supported him.

[swinney]

17. Bush executed more than Saddam

The troops found detailed records, in one of the palaces, of Saddam victims. The number missing in past ten years was less than 100.

Bush executed more over that period. Without proper review.

Where are Saddam records? Ho! Do you expect to read them again?

[tobinov]

21. Here you go! Try it for yourself...

requires shockwave and a healthy dose of detachment.

http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm

[Q]

22. What is this: biblical law...an eye for an eye?

- Revenge? Vendetta? Empire? Military-industrial complex?

- They kill 3000. We kill 10,000. They kill 10,000. We unleash nuclear weapons and kill a million. Where will it end? Do we 'win' if we kill more than they?

[Q]

24. Got a 'note' from someone...

...suggesting that I was a 'terrorist lover'. I want to remind that person that the thousands of people murdered in George's war had nothing to do with terrorism. They were mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers...farmers, grocers...etc. In fact...they differ from us only in the color of their skin...and George* murdered them like he would swat a fly off the newspaper he pretends to read.