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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:37 PM
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Any Texans here?
How do things look for el slime bucket in Texas????
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:39 PM
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1. Which one?
we've got quite a few here.
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:41 PM
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3. white house slime
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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:40 PM
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2. If all the closet democrats would get off their dead butts
and vote, Shrub would be toast.

in my humble opinion. But hey, I'm a hardcore bush hater.

See you in Crawford Saturday!
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:44 PM
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4. Yes
Let's just say that in Montgomery County, I'm not seeing as many flags flying from antennae nor nearly as many 2000 leftover Bush/Cheney bumperstickers. I do think people have removed them (or they could have just bought new SUVs).

I have heard that moderate repugs are disgusted.

:shrug:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:46 PM
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5. Ex Texan
Well, is that accurate?

Born in Germany (to Texan parents), raised in Texas (since age 2), living in New Mexico (5 yrs now)

What's the latest with Gov. Goodhair and his estranged wife? Any more protests in front of the capital admonishing him to come clean about his sexual preferences?
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:46 PM
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6. How sweet would it be...
if * lost in Texas? Oklahoma too!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:53 PM
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8. bah ha ha ha
i am in amarillo........i would be on the hugest of highs for weeks. oh that would just make the rest of my life. when i am 80 i would look back at the time bush lost texas and get the most wonderful shit eating grin on my face
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:51 PM
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7. Here...
... I don't talk politics with acquaintances much, but I have heard some unimpeachable anecdotal evidence of a group of eldery Reps who are saying they'll vote "against Bush*" in the next election.

A couple of this group (5-6 men) are lifelong Reps who have never voted Dem before.

One really wonders where the 50% support poll numbers come from sometimes.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 06:54 PM
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9. dare i put a kerry sign in the yard
nah,. i think yawl are talking south and central texas. yeehaw
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:04 PM
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10. If you are going to keep the myth alive . . .
It is pronounced "Yee-hah" in Texas (in a falsetto). "Yee-haw" is Arkansas. "Yahoo" is Tennessee. "AAAA-haaah" is Tex-Mex (also a falsetto after many Buds).

:toast:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:54 PM
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20. i am a california
thank you, curtsey to ewe,........lol lol
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:11 PM
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11. I'm south of Dallas
He's very popular out here for the most part but there are dissenters.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:22 PM
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12. I'm by Abilene...
...I've got a Kerry bumpersticker on the car.

Road poll results:

Thumbs-up 25%
Flip-offs 20%
Undecided 10%
Unintelligible 45%
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:26 PM
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14. I wonder where my bumper sticker is...
I asked for one. I donated. It hasn't come yet. Oh well... I hope it gets here before November.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 08:10 PM
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21. Ask again...
I got mine after the second request.
I've never gotten either of the DU bumperstickers I was promised either, by the by, and I need one badly. It's the answer to my bumpersticker equation.
I may have helped trigger the free bumpersticker deal at johnkerry.com by bitching them out. I used the Kerrygear link to buy a bumpersticker (all this prole could afford) at $2. Clicked to complete the transaction and my total was $12 or thereabouts. They wanted $10 for shipping a single bumpersticker! I canceled the order and raised hell in an e-mail. Told 'em democrats don't have that kind of money to throw out on shipping. Told 'em I was perfectly willing to pay reasonable shipping to carry the campaign banner in hostile territory, but I wasn't going to pay 10 bucks for the privilege. I asked them to fold one, stick it in an envelope with first-class postage and I'd trade them a five dollar bill for it. They told me not to sweat it, it was on the way for the bubble. A couple of weeks later I reminded them. Shortly after that I got two freebies and they put up a link for 'em free on the site.
Ask twice, they're busy people...and that's a good thing!:D
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:19 PM
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24. Thanks, I will.
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:24 PM
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13. Changing For The Better: The Ron Wilson Story
Things are starting to change for the better after the social conservative/Republican tidal wave of the last two decades or so.

One of the most heartening things I've seen in the Texas primaries in about four election cycles was the very direct message sent to our state legislature Judascrats who did not leave the Capitol when the Republicans unshockingly revealed themselves for the corporate whoring, Tom Delay order pimping, soulless hacks that they are.

Of particular interest was a race in Houston were FORMER state rep Ron Wilson from Houston was the most notable defeat, being beaten in the primary by State Board of Education member Alma Allen, 55%-44%. Allen won't face a Republican opponent in the election. Wilson's FORMER district and Allen's future district is heavily African-American. Wilson held the seat for 27 years but got the boot because of his pimping for Tom Craddick (our evil Republican Sith Lord (aka Speaker of the House)) instead of representing the voters of his district.

Why this is particularly interesting to me is that it represents are very sad case of collusion between some leaders (elected and otherwise, individuals and organizations) in the African-American community and redistricting-happy Republicans. This is NOT new nor is it isolated to Ron Wilson. He stood staunchly with Sith Master Craddick on redistricting because the redistricting plan created a new district in Houston that will likely elect an African-American Democrat which Ron Wilson thought was a peachy idea. This same treasonous pandering to the Dixiecrat Republicans occured in other redistricting fights in the South throughout the 80s and 90s (I believe there are specific examples in Kevin Phillips' recent book and Michael Lind's "Up from Conservatism") where local and state African-American leaders either colluded or stood silently by while redistricting created political ghettos that stood to benefit those same leaders while screwing the Democratic Party.

I for one am happy that Wilson is history. To think that such a Judas was one of the late great Mickey Leland's proteges is sad, indeed.
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:26 PM
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15. Alot worse than they did in 2000.
xx
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:27 PM
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16. Plano (North Dallas suburb) massively for Bush
so far as I can tell. Big surprise there, eh?
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:35 PM
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17. Same With My County
I honestly think Bush could personally authorize the outsourcing of every job in this county, cut everyone's unemployment that they would need, and then stand on his soapbox with his big ears and simian grin and say "Clinton made me do it!" and most of the dipshits in this county would cheer wildly for him and blame Clinton.

There are a whole lotta people in this county (Denton, right next to Collin where Plano is located) who the world would not miss if they spontaneously drove off bridges or didn't breed.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:26 PM
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25. Plano is massively for Bush?
That's like saying the parishioners in a church are massively Christian. :)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:46 PM
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18. My husband is a sixth generation Texan
who has lived in and out of the Lone Star State. Now we live in Arkansas, along with a whole bunch of other transplanted Texans. To a person, they can't stand Bush and remind anyone who will listen that Bush is a carpetbagger.

My brother in law, who lives in Ft Worth, has been mum on Kerry's chances, so I despair. The way the state has been gerrymandered bodes ill, I'm afraid.
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 07:47 PM
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19. Hola!
From Austin!
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 08:35 PM
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22. Right here
Things look surprisingly bad for shrub down here. Last time I heard his approval rating was hovering around 55% in Texas. It was at 75% pretty consistently for the past few years, ignoring the 9/11 bump that sent it to 90% like the rest of the nation. I can't find a link about it, these are stats I've picked up from the local news. He will probably carry Texas, but he might find himself actually having to fight for it. I'm trying to convince my friends to get out and vote for Kerry, but there's still a depressing amount of apathy down here.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 08:42 PM
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23. North Texas here
And it's purely anecdotal, but I'm not seeing a lot of support in my southwestern Dallas burb. I have seen a lot of defections to Kerry or abstaining from voting.

If I am surrounded by bush supporters, they sure as hell have gotten awfully quiet.

I don't see any Bush/Cheney bumper stickers either. My husband has seen ONE when he was on I-35 going north in Dallas.

I figure the supporters are feeling rather smug and apathetic. Good. No one wake them up until after election day.


bTW see ya'll in Crawford Saturday. Let's increase the population of Crawford by THOUSANDS.


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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:44 PM
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28. "Smug and apathetic"
I agree with this basic assessment. Although there is more and more a creeping fear among some that he will not win the election. I'd just as soon the bozos stay fat and happy and complacent.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:31 PM
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26. Here's some hope for ya!
I live in a large metropolitan area in North Central Texas. In the primaries, my district voted out the incumbent Democrat for a brand-spankin' new, liberal Democrat?

Why? Because the incumbent didn't go to Ardmore during the redistricting issue this past summer. Attaway, District 24!!!!

(Texan til next month-- then I move to Cancun :). Sorry, I just like saying that!)
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Marymarg Donating Member (773 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:40 PM
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27. Fort Worthian here
My husband works among rabid Bush lovers but just this week he told me that some of them are beginning to question Bush. This may sound like a small thing but relatively speaking, it is a giant leap.

Also, there is finally a Tarrant County Democratic Headquarters webpage. This also is a huge leap, here.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:46 PM
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30. ROFL
Tell those Tarrant County Dems to get with it! The Dallas Co. Dems have had a website up for forever! LOL!

My burbs Dem group had a meeting last Saturday morning at a diner. There are normally about eight people. We had over fifty.

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TiredTexan Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:59 PM
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33. I'm a Tarrant County Dem too.
What's the webiste address? Are you going to the Kerry Meetup on the 25th?
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Marymarg Donating Member (773 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 10:13 PM
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34. website
Tarrant County Democratic website: http://www.tcdp.net/

I am going to try to go to the Meetup. Are you going?
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 12:37 AM
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44. another Fort Worth resident here
At the dem primary two weeks ago at least a half dozen repukes made no bones about the fact that they were not going to vote for bush* again...and a neighbor told me the same thing two days ago...

and I live north of the loop!!!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:45 PM
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29. Houston here!
With H-town being metropolitan, there's a lot of liberals around here. But there's still too many conservatives. I have been driving about town with my DU bumper sticker for quite some time now and not one finger. But just yesterday I ordered a bunch of bumper stickers from gwbush.com for me and by bf and my bf wanted the BUSH IS A PUNK ASS CHUMP sticker. I told him he should be careful with that one on his car. He said he isn't afraid. We shall see.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:49 PM
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31. Another thing
I can tell you for sure the Dems in this state are gonna make the chimp FIGHT for Texas this time. No assumptions. The great thing is, Texas is still an assumption for the bushies.

Now, I did have an amazing dream the other night that it was election night and Oklahoma went blue.

Watch Oklahoma. THEY are seriously unsettled with bush from what I understand.

And their Dem organizations are are fire.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 09:53 PM
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32. Still registered in Dallas
But I'll move before the next general election. I will continue to contibute to Texas Democrats like Martin Frost. And to the great Texas Democratic Party!
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 10:20 PM
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35. Very hopeful signs in Texas lately!!!
Some great improvements in Texas;


From Texas Democratic Party:

1. The continuing investigation of DeLay and Craddick and the PACs.
Explosive Documents Show GOP Influence Peddling
In a startling article from the Texas Observer, inside memos show that Craddick ally Beverly Wooley and Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC) fundraiser Susan Lilly traveled to Houston in September of 2002 to hustle several corporate executives and others for huge sums of cash. On a memo obtained by the Observer, next to each potential donor's name were handwritten notes as to what favors could be given in return for the money each pledged. In several cases, the legislation indicated was swiftly rammed through the legislature by Republican corporate money recipients a few months later. The document will serve as a damaging piece of evidence against Tom Craddick and Tom DeLay as they try and fend off indictments for their illegal campaign activities. At the very least, the incident shows the lack of shame Republicans have when it comes to raising money and peddling influence here in Texas.

2. More Dems vote in primaries than repukes in Texas for the first time in 12 years!!!
Democrats Turn out for Primary in Heavy Numbers
For months Republicans justified their disenfranchisement of Texans by claiming an overwhelming majority in Texas, but Tuesday's election proved them wrong. Instead of seeing an increase in GOP voters at the polls, as has been the trend for the last 12 years, Texas election officials counted more Democratic ballots than Republican and turnout for the Democrats had increased since 2002. In Texas we register party affiliation by voting in the primary and so now we have the edge in party registration. Clearly, we've begun to turn the corner on Republican plans to get to the top and Texas is ready for change!

3. Texas Dems turn out many worthless "Craddick Democratic" turncoats1!

Team Craddick "DINOs" Go Down on Primary Day
Tom Craddick used the consent and cooperation of a handful of "Democrats In Name Only" (DINO) legislators to ram through his unflinchingly partisan agenda in 2003, much to the chagrin of loyal Democrats and fair minded citizens around the state. As the Dallas Morning News noted the day after the primary, "The defeat of House Speaker Tom Craddick's most stalwart Democratic supporters this week will cost him more than a few "aye" votes." Craddick attempted to cry crocodile tears for the loss of "bipartisanship," but House Democratic Caucus Chair Jim Dunnam pointed to several quotes from Craddick in the past urging blind partisanship, including one where he said explicitly, "I'm not concerned if that splits the House up." Such is the character of the current Republican Party of Texas it seems.


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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 11:14 PM
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39. Thanks, Gingergal
I still have a Texas Democrat bumper sticker on my Subaru here in the wilds of the NC mountains. So far, everyone loves it.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 10:43 PM
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36. I have seen some anti-bush stickers
Here in South Texas (which is probably not a Bush stronghold overall). My favorite (seen on a college campus) was blue, white and red (like the Texas flag) and it said "George W. Bush is a punk-ass chump". I am guessing that is not positive. LOL.
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 10:56 PM
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37. Bell county resident...
I got a couple extra Dems to the polls myself on primary day (and one convert!)

BTW, I didn't vote in 96, or 2000. Neither did a few other folk I know.

I'll never sit home again. I've learned my lesson well.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 11:08 PM
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38. Victoria County checking in...
Edited on Thu Mar-18-04 11:12 PM by Ilsa
Very conservative here. LTTE is always full of hate mail, abortion, abortion causes breast cancer, gays are God's abomination, etc ad nauseum. Whenever anyone writes in to refute, they organize a letter writing barage full of name-calling, no real defense of reich-wing policies.

In 1994, my husband and i were two of four people who voted dem in our precinct. I the other 496 voted rethuglican.

My brother in Las COlinas said Bush's support there was softening.
Same for my sister in Deer Park (Houston).
Heard some police dept people in Plano tx were upset about their funding for law enforcement getting cut by Shrub's budget.
And my dad in east texas said every Baptist at his dessert table (after church) a few months ago agreed that Bush needed to go.
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sal Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 11:33 PM
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40. hell yeah, buddy
I was talking to a retarded young man in San Antonio who said he had turned eighteen and was going to register to vote. I asked him if he was a Democrat. He said he didn't know what that was, but he did know he couldn't wait to vote for George Bush.

The Dems got the shit beat out of them and they haven't picked themselves up off the floor yet. They might never.

Most working people hate George Bush but will not say so in public because they are afraid IMO. They'd get shouted down in at work, at school, in the store, where ever.

In the last primary, the Dems did not even have the bodies to man the polls. The pukes made a mockery of the election and I know of too many outrages to list here, but most involved illegal poll activity, unopened polls, unmanned polls, polls outside people's communities, or counties; some dozens of miles away, deliberate misinformation from election officials about poll locations. In some cases people went to the neighborhood school or church where they had voted for years only to learn the polling place had moved some distance away. Some polling locations where not clearly marked for the public as required by the law. Some did not designate parking, or blocked ingress and egress.

Tom Delay gave a bunch of money to a Laredo carpet bagger named Cuellar who ran hard against a lazy Dem empty suit named Ciro Rodriguez who only won by 154 votes. He and Charlie Gonzales are weak ineffectual figures in safe districts, which makes me all the madder, because they should be shouting holy hell over the suffering of their poor constiuents, who have taken it up the po-po under their watch. Charlie's dad is spinning in his grave.

I've heard stories from the Valley about Henry Bonilla's puke thug brigades night-riding the colonias and telling families that if they don't vote for pukes they will lose their jobs, or be beaten, or worse.

Texas Dems are whipped, and what is most tragic is that this great state is not naturally pukey. We could win in Texas with new leadership that have the guts and determination to fight.

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Forosuul Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 12:09 AM
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41. I'm in Dallas
Every so often I see a Bush bumper sticker. Parts of the metroplex are definitely pro-Bush.

I used to see Dean stickers all the time. Never seen even one Kerry sticker or met a single Kerry supporter. Bush will almost cetainly get Texas since the Dems have decided to nominate the weakest candidate since...oh...ever.
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Zephyrus Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 12:17 AM
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42. yeppers
:thumbsup:
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 12:27 AM
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43. Austin here
I see signs around town, both for Kerry and against Bush and the war. Things have been looking down for him here since he took office. However, Austin isn't typical of Texas. Bush will win the state easily. Like an earlier poster said, if only all the lazy Democrat voters would get off their butts and get to the polls it would be different. Too many here accept bush winning as inevitable and don't care. There is so much to be voting for. bush aside, there are reasons such as getting tom delay out of office, supporting the Dems who were screwed by redistricting. But the carpetbagger has created apathy for the party here. :(
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 12:40 AM
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45. My wife, daughter , and I are a bunch of misplaced Texans currently living
in Washington State. But we have property in Llano County near Enchanted Rock and are going back as soon as we can.. Can't hardly wait to git home! Good News!

:bounce:
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sugarcookie Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:11 AM
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46. Enchanted Rock...
Edited on Fri Mar-19-04 02:13 AM by sugarcookie
We climbed that one summer and the buzzards swooped down on my daughter when she laid out to rest on the top. Actually, I look back at that particular vacation with fondness. We spent a whole week there and visited the museum and other things on the area. Wasn't there an indian battle there? My hubby used to hunt in Llano County and in Pontotoc.

We live on the coast in Brazoria County. My hubby and his family are all republicans. My personal observation is that they are pretty apathetic about things right now.

edit: for clarification
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:18 AM
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47. He got 62% in 1998 and only 59% in 2000. I think this year it'll be 56%
He'll win here, of course, but I think his base is shrinking.
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