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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:10 AM
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Has George W. Bush Now Killed as Many Iraqis
as Sadam Hussein? The rationale for ousting Sadam was that he was a murderous tyrant who killed thousand of his own people. What does this make Dubya??? :think:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:13 AM
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1. his successor....
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:13 AM
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2. What does this make Dubya???
A murderous tyrant who has killed thousands of Saddam's own people.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:14 AM
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3. Bush was a murderous tyrant before 1/20/2001
He killed 163 of his own people as governor of Texas, making him the only US "president" to have ever been in the Guinness Book of World Records. (Category: most executions by a US governor.)
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workforpower Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:20 AM
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4. I am trying.
Is this another self righteous morality post?
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:23 AM
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5. what a stupid question
Edited on Sat May-01-04 11:27 AM by Neo Progressive
saddam killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. According to Iraqi Body Count, something like 15000 iraqi civilians have been killed.

It's pretty simple fucking math.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:46 AM
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6. But we are just gettin started. And we really destroy the evidence better.
Some of our bombs just leave remnants of burned bodies.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:57 AM
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8. well and good but the question doesn't say "will he have"
it says has he, meaning up to now, has bush jr. killed as many innocents as saddam, which is a really stupid question
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:53 AM
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7. Saddam Hussein was, without question, the leader of a brutal dictatorship.
Edited on Sat May-01-04 11:55 AM by bigtree

As many as 300,000 Iraqis are believed to have been deliberately murdered by the regime in the "Anfal campaign" against the Kurds, and the assaults on the Marsh Arabs and southern Shi`a populations, which resulted in thousands of more dead. http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqanfal/ANFALINT.htm

Between 1977 and 1987, some 4,500-5,000 Kurdish villages were systematically destroyed, and the survivors were forced into concentration camps. http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/04/iraqtribunal.htm

Many of the atrocities took place at a time when the U.S. was actively supporting Hussein in a manufactured revolution against the Iranian government, whose leaders had humiliated Americans in the '70's hostage crisis.

Iraq used chemical weapons in 1983-1984, during the Iran-Iraq war. It has been reported that some 20,000 Iranians were killed by mustard gas, and the nerve agents tabun and sarin.

In 1988, Iraqi soldiers invaded Kurdistan and rounded up more than 100,000 Kurds and executed them. In March 1988, in the town of Halabja, more than 3,000 civilians died from chemical gas attacks by the Iraqi military.

Iraq has been rightly condemned by the U.S. and most of the international community for these and other deadly actions against its citizens and its neighbors. But Iraq did not operate against its enemies alone or without our knowledge, and in many instances, U.S. support.

Nightline, in Sept. 1991 reported that the Atlanta branch of an Italian bank, BNL, was able to funnel billions, some of it in U.S. credits, to Iraq's military. The U.S. apparently knew of the transfers and turned a blind eye. Nightline Show #2690 - Sept. 13, 1991

"Sophisticated military technology was illegally transferred from a major U.S. company in Lancaster, Pennsylvania to South Africa and Chile and, from there, on to Iraq. The Iraqi-born designer of a chemical weapon plant in Libya set up shop in Florida, producing and then shipping to Iraq chemical weapon components. The CIA, the FBI and other federal agencies were made aware of the operation and did nothing to prevent it."

The report further states: "During the 1980s and into the '90s, senior officials of both the Reagan and Bush administrations encouraged the privatization of foreign policy, certainly toward Iran and Iraq. They made a mockery of the export control system; they found ways of encouraging foreign governments to do what our laws prohibited. They either knew or, if not, were guilty of the grossest incompetence, that U.S. companies were collaborating with foreign arms merchants in the illegal transfer of American technology that helped Saddam Hussein build his formidable arsenal."

It summarizes that, "Iraq, during much of the 1980's and into the '90s, was able acquire sophisticated U.S. technology, intelligence material, ingredients for chemical weapons, indeed, entire weapon-producing plants, with the knowledge, acquiescence and sometimes even the assistance of the U.S. government."

The New York Times reported in Aug. 2002 that during the Reagan administration, the U.S. military provided Saddam with critical intelligence that was used in Iraq's aggression against Iran, at a time when they were clearly using chemical and biological agents in their prosecution of that war. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/globalissue/usforeignpolicy/iraq1980scontent.html

The United States was an accomplice in the use of these materials at a time when President Reagan's top aides, including then- Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Defense Secretary Frank C. Carlucci and Gen. Colin L. Powell, then national security adviser, were publicly condemning Iraq for its use of poison gas, especially after Iraq attacked Kurds in Halabja.

The classified support reportedly involved more than 60 military advisors from the Defense Intelligence Agency who provided detailed information on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb-damage assessments for Iraq.

A retired intelligence officer recalled that, in the military's view, "The use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern."

A 1994 Senate Banking Committee report, and a letter from the Centers for Disease Control in 1995, revealed that the U.S. had shipped biological agents to Iraq at a time when Washington knew that Iraq was using chemical weapons to kill thousands of Iranian troops.
(The Riegle Report--U.S. Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual Use Exports to Iraq and their Possible Impact on the Health Consequences of the Gulf War) http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/report/riegle1.html
http://www.businessweek.com:/print/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2002/nf20020920_3025.htm?db (A U.S. Gift to Iraq: Deadly Viruses- Business Week Online)

The reports showed that Iraq was allowed to purchase batches of anthrax, botulism, E. coli, West Nile fever, gas gangrene, dengue fever. The CDC was shipping germ cultures directly to the Iraqi weapons facility in al-Muthanna.

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has a collection of declassified government documents that detail U.S. support of Saddam's regime. This is the collection that contains a photograph of Saddam Hussein shaking hands with Ronald Reagan's Middle East envoy, Donald Rumsfeld, who apparently said nothing to Saddam about his nuclear weapons program or his use of chemical weapons.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/special/iraq/index.htm (The Saddam Hussein Scrapbook, National Security Archive George Washington University)

The U.S. doesn't intend to leave the Iraqi army to its own devices anytime soon. They plan to establish U.S. supported military and national security institutions which they describe a necessary for "civilian control and oversight."

It appears that the U.S. military is going to create the same type of junta that they deposed. How will America regard this armed bunch several years from now when some enigmatic leader has consolidated power there, and goes against our interests; or against our renegade puppet government with their army, trained and armed by the Americans?

What responsibility will we have when they eventually act against Turkey; or the Kurds? Will this be a legitimate force for future action against Iran?

The training and employment of these private armies may serve to insulate the U.S. from the sacrifices of American life and limb that might otherwise restrain our increasing domineering world aggression. These mercenary forces don't release us from the responsibility for their unlawful abuses and slaughters, however. They just give the U.S. the illusion of clean hands.

We are the merchants of their misdeeds.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0974735205/002-0073119-5222456?v=glance&s=books">These are excerpts from my book, Power Of Mischief- Military Industry Executives are Making Bush Policy and the Country is Paying the Price

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