Different view on "The Pictures" here and at Freeperville

[TryingToWarnYou]

DU

..appalling...
...disgusting...
...horrible...
...sad...

Free Republic

...sorry that the pics got out...
...mad that someone took pics...
...concerned that this will give "the left" something to complain about...
...calling it 'stupid' that someone would take pics knowing they could be found and released....

If you enjoy sickening yourself, feel free to read some of the threads regarding the torture pics over there. I saw very, very few comments that the actions taken by our soldiers was wrong. What I did see was that there was a lot of frustration about the pics 'getting out'. What a bunch of fucking animals...

Anyway, just thought I would comment.

[Lindacooks]

1. Typical Repuke

they don't give a shit about the truth - they just want to control all news, all the time, to make sure their side gets the best slant possible.

[DBoon]

4. No, to make sure the "other side"

never gets a hearing is more like it.

I've noticed that folks at DU want to get our message out, whereas the right spends a lot on energy making sure ONLY their message gets out.

[cmayer]

2. Any Freepers agreeing with F*head?

That this is disgusting? Where is Party discipline when you need it?

[Skip Intro]

3. That's exactly who they really are at the core

Hypocrites who claim to be everything they are not, and when confronted with the truth, complain that the truth has become exposed.

From the current resident, throughout his entire admin, to his willing, anti-American whores in Congress and the "media" - lies, lies, lies, and when the light of truth shines upon them, they show no remorse, but curse the light.

Sickening, sickening creatures.

[the Kelly Gang]

8. I agree..and you sound about as angry as I get

[juajen]

5. Link, please

N/T

[TryingToWarnYou]

10. Link? I thought the gist of my post was evident?

Anyway, here are a few choice comments from the following link....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127975/posts

In other words - suspected terrorist detainees were being given the third degree via psychological not physical abuse to get them to break - what went wrong is that they allowed the goobers to take snapshots (I guess intelligence was not there to supervise the goobers 24/7).
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One of the problems I saw is that guards were laughing and full of joy. They were engaging in sadistic pleasures, not going about the business of obtaining useful information via unsavory means.
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every one of thes b@st@rds ought to be court martialled on 2 counts each of being stupid. First and foremost for doing it, and last for taking pictures.
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t is shameful for this General to be speaking thru the media.

She needs to save her comments for the legal action which lies ahead. She knows the current media climate; she's giving fodder for those who are tearing down the American position.

Maybe she's a Clinton-era liberal-type General?

Calling this "torture" is an exercise in hyperbole.
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He11, I've heard of college hazings that were more 'agonizing'.

This soldiers should be drummed out of the military, but charging them with anything more than simple assault is just overkill.
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I'm sure there are clinton type era liberals in place. They've infiltrated everything else.
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I suspect that this general benefited from equal opportunity promotion during the clinton regime. I have news for her: it's a leader's responsibility to supervise her troops.

Also I agree. Somebody really screwed up letting pictures be taken. Some of our troops misbehaved. But I'd like to ask the liberal critics whose prisoner they would rather be, ours or Saddam's?
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what's sickening is a General who allows this to go on under her command and then blames others.

BINGO ! No excuses, the buck stops here.

(Gotta love that hypocrisy eh?) - TryingToWarnYou
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Seeing the way the Iraqui's have greeted American soldiers one could assume the prefer Saddam Hussein and Uday and Qusay, Maybe the GI';s were just trying to make them feel at home.
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Should never had females over there in the first place.

If you take the average IQ of a group of young cops and divide it by the number of women involved, you will obtain the IQ of the total. It's the Pheromone factor and can be deadly in time of war..

The training of the MPs for the type of ops we knew we were going into is one of the sorriest aspects of this war. And it's not the fault of the reservist but the high Army brass that always wants to Rant to anyone who will listen that they need more boot numbers and tanks and ignore the constant threats to our warriors.

("Warriors"? WTF is that shit? - TryingToWarnYou)
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The libs would reply that you're thinking like a Westerner. That link several posts up about what ragheads think about being naked in front of each other (something that happens to our troops from the day they're inducted) really explains what the issue is here for the Arabs.

I wish we'd have just shot the bastards instead.
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People are just too eager to swallow everything the liberal media with an agenda is dishing out.
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I can understand the prisoners being stripped naked with bags over their heads. I can also understand them being laughed at and taunted, I would imagine it is a fairly good technique. But these guys went a bit too far, and what is worse they took pictures.
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I have no problem with the use of psychological pressure & intimidation/humiliation to get information from enemy prisoners ,I do however have a problem with non-professional conduct & what can only be described as FELONIOUS STUPIDITY on the part of the reservists & the intel types.
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Ok, thats just ONE thread.... I left out the 2 posts that bordered on, maybe some form of humanity. These people are pure shit.

[HawkerHurricane]

6. Difference between liberals and conservatives:

Liberals are happy if thier side gets a fair hearing.
Conservatives are unhappy if the other side gets any coverage at all.

[maggrwaggr]

7. right. Unlike them we believe in Democracy and Freedom

So why is it they're the first to wrap themselves in the flag?

Scum of the earth. I'm ashamed to call them members of my human race.

[0007]

12. ....also remember maggrwaggr that wrapping one self in the flag

is another way of saying I'm oppose to social programs and why should my tax dollars go to the less fortunate.

A God fearing American is always political correct.

The flag does cover up much greed and hypocrisy and ignorance.

[bowens43]

9. Very typical of that crowd

but you can be sure that if these were American prisoners being held by the Iraqi resistance fighters, the freepers would be outraged. Bigots and hypocrites, the conservative republican base.

[Loonman]

11. Freepers are sub-human scum

Incapable of normal emotional responses.

[noonwitch]

13. Wow, they even found a way to drag Clinton's name into it!

A couple of them quoted some interesting studies about human behavior in prison situations, however. It's probably pretty relevant to the situation.

[dolo amber]

14. Well, I made the *stupid* point myself

in a thread yesterday...after making it perfectly clear that I found them horrifying. :hi:

(It really is just mind-bogglingly stupid, y'know...)

Edit: This thread, just FYI...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1515904

[Jacobin]

15. Wanna hear worse than that?

Freep acquantance told me that "everyone does it....Germans did it, Japanese did it"...........

I suppose they like being in the genocide club. "Hey, its cool...everyone's doing it"

What a bunch of freaks

[PA Democrat]

17. CNN had a libertarian talk show host from Boston

on this morning, and his attitude was, hey it's a war, what do you expect? He painted all Iraqis as guilty of worse things than torture, and said the guards were justified in retaliating against the prisoners. I was appalled. That idiot Carol Costellic let him make these hateful, disgusting remarks with very little rebuttal or questioning.

Last time I checked a lot of the prisoners being held have not had the right to a trial and are assumed to be guilty. Last time I checked torture was a violation of the Geneva convention. Last time i checked the US does not need to inflame Arab sentiments any further.

What the HELL is wrong with people who accept this torture?

[neebob]

16. Uh-huh, well,

what do you expect from people who listen to Limbaugh and Hannity? I was flipping channels the day the pix came out and caught Hannity attacking some guy who was critizing them on his show, asking, "So is it a good thing that Saddam Hussein is out of power?"

"Is it a good thing Saddam is out of power? Yes or no."

"Yes or no ..."

"Yes or no!"

Naturally is followers are going to be that much more insane and retarded.

[FreakinDJ]

18. The Freepers are Pissed because it is a REAL MESS

One that will probably lead right to top administration officials pushing CIA and MI interogators to get information on WMDs and Saddam/911 links.

To think Asscrack was there and visited the prison during the time this was going on looks real bad and there is not one thing they can say to defend it

[TryingToWarnYou]

19. Dont hold your breath

Dont expect to see anyone other than some low level lackey pay for this. Everyone is playing the blame game and between the grunts doing to torturing to the intel types they claim put them up to it, nobody and I mean, NOBODY is going to let this go so far as to get to Chimpy, Ashcroft or anyone else. The number of people lining up to throw themselves on their swords for these assholes is staggering.