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[SharonAnn]

1. Thank goodness. We have to help keep this "drip", "drip"

going until it becomes part of the conventional wisdom that Bush lies and that he does it for his own self-interest.

He lies on foreign policy. He lies on the economy. He lies on budget submissions. He lies on the environment. He lies on every single policy statement he makes.

Make it so that "everyone knows" that "Bush lies"

[Gloria]

2. I'm just afraid no one cares about the drip....the Pew poll, for example,

indicates that most Americans don't really care about the phony case for the Iraq war. Hearing this discussed on Canadian shortwave radio by one of their Washington correspondents drove the point home even harder.

It's downright depressing....

[oasis]

3. The live press was still pressing Chimpy at the ranch this a.m. on

pre-Iraq war intel. The Chimp's body language began to give him away. After sqirming a bit, he repeated the mantra about 9/11 blah, blah blah. "This is the continuing war against terror" he went on. This story will get stale by the time of the 2004 debates.

[JewelDigger]

5. Perhaps what is happening

is that people are waking up from believing in just 'sound bits' and want to know the 'meat' of it all. Remember that a lot of people think a lot of things to themselves - and discuss a lot of things with those close to them, but will remain (rightly so, I guess) stoic in any sort of public demonstration/admission of what they truly think. Searching out the truth NEVER gets stale.

[oasis]

11. To clarify. I meant, the story Bush is pushing will become stale.

[pansypoo53219]

4. just 1 barracks attacked

a trasport plane taken down and it is SO over.

[Gloria]

6. I've been thinking about a big loss.....I'm afraid the media would rally

round Bush and we'd be back in a "mini-911" situation.

I guess the question is "How big" is big enough to shake confidence in the whole Bush house of cards, but at the same time , NOT big enough so Rove can exploit it!!!

[BigLed]

10. the conventional wisdom at DU

seems to be that another LIHOP would help Shrub but I disagree. I think or maybe hope it would be just too much and with the facts being that shrub has de-emphasized domestic security I think people would blame him for incompetency in letting it happen again.

Or so I hope.

[yellowcanine]

7. Thing about lies is

When you tell enough lies you reach a critical mass of lies and you start tripping over them. I believe the Bushies are getting close to the critical lie mass if they haven't already reached it. Once that point is reached, the liars no longer know themselves what is true and what is lie. Note that Bush himself reached this point about 2 weeks ago when he said that Saddam hadn't allowed the inspectors into Iraq. That indicates to me that Bush's instinct is to lie when cornered on the Iraq issue. Not just Iraq, but also about tax cuts, environment, etc. In fact, it is hard to tell on which issue the greatest number of lies have been told. Do the American people care about these lies? Probably not as long as everything turns out ok. In fact, they probably prefer the lie to the truth if the lie is more comforting than the truth. However, Bush's problem is that the American people absolutely will not tolerate lies that get us into military quagmires - LBJ found that out and I think Bush is about to find it out as well.

[susu369]

16. Well articulated, yellowcanine

I agree the bu$hies are in deep.

As for bricks - the first damn brick should have been how the presidential papers were kept from being released. Amazing how the puppy-dog press just rolled over.

[PurityOfEssence]

8. Remember just a couple of months ago how it was inconceivable?

Ron Brownstein even said in an article in the L.A. Times that it would be foolhardy to go after the character issue. Comedians make regular jokes about credibility now. That word "phoney" keeps popping up here and there.

The perception will change: he has nowhere to go but down, and many people are sick of the ridiculous crap.

These things go in cycles, and while many cringe that the stories have died down, the reality is that bits of them have sunk in, so the next time around he's presumed to be less decent. He's on the way down now. Can he still hold the next election? Possibly. Is it a foregone conclusion? Not even.

He will be getting no new converts; he will only lose people. They will need to fight a brutally ugly election campaign because they will be unable to attract anyone else, all they can do is strip support from opponents.

[Forkboy]

9. If it takes another two years

it wont matter anymore.

[Robbien]

14. I would have bet hades would freeze before the

Chicago Tribune would print an unbiased article on Bush. Well, the devil should get out his ice skates because the article entitled Overstatement seen in Bush's case for war
Four months after Baghdad's fall, virtually all U.S. allegations about Iraq's destructive capabilities remain unproven or in dispute is a brutally honest article. It is very comprehensive, a Must Read.

So, going back to your post, I now don't think it will take two years.

the article

[nolabels]

12. What do you mean brick by brick?

Hell, they should have enough of them effing things on * by now to build ten complete prisons

[nolabels]

13. Forgot to include his Resume

http://www.pressaction.com/pablog/archives/000999.html#000999

George W. Bush Resume
The White House, USA

MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

*I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.
*I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.
*I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
*I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
*I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
*I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
*In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

*I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president in US history.
*In my first two years in office I watched over 2 million Americans to lose their jobs.
*I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
*I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
*I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
*I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
*I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other president in US history.
*I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
*I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
*I cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
*I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
*I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
*I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
*Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
*I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
*I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
*I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
(snip)

[snippy]

15. Some journalist needs to find the answers to these questions.

1. Who made the decision to use a campaign of lies to market the invasion of Iraq? (Was it Turd Blossom Rove? Bush? Cheney? Roger Ailes?)

2. When was that decision made? (Before or after September 11, 2001? Before or after March, 2002 when Bush told three Senators in Rice's office: "Fuck Saddam. We're taking him out."?)

3. Why was that decision made? (Political reasons? Financial reasons? Personal reasons?)

I think the answers to these questions would reveal a criminal conspiracy and could lead to the appointment of a special prosecutor.