Rumsfeld Hearing 5/6/04 Thread 3

[proud patriot]

here's thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&...

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548432&mesg_id=1548432&page=

[WilliamPitt]

1. Raise your hand if you still don't like McCain

so I can scold you. :) That was a smackdown.

[BinkieGirl]

4. McCain

Seems to be all over the place these days but I was very happy to see him not back down from direct questioning.

Good Job Senator!

[proud patriot]

6. Rummy pissed McCain off

not good for rummy

[Beetwasher]

10. So Rummy Has No Clue Who's In Charge?

is that the gist of the McCain question????

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Again that is a modified Nuremberg Defense

the original is I was obeying orders, (PfC England), he can't... some of what the Germans said at Nuremberg are similar to what he said today... EERIE

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. The ICRC NEVER GOES PUBLIC

they did over Guantamo and this, they NEVER go public Rummy

That is your FREE FUCKING CLUE OF THE DAY

Public Affairs people did, but the only ones who picked on it was the BBC you TWIT... not OUR press. This was AFTER ICRC went public... again THEY NEVER GO PUBLIC

Folks I was a Red Cross Worker at another country... I KNOW... hell I will take testimony from victims to the grave with me.

[TahitiNut]

53. While the "Nuremberg Defense" doesn't exonerate ...

... it absolutely extends culpability. This isn't a matter of claiming that those who followed orders were 'innocent'; it's a matter of showing that the guilt is shared by those who gave the orders! It's alos shared by those whose duty was to supervise, monitor, and command those troops and (for any fucking reason) didn't. Ignorance of these abuses is absolutely no defense whatsoever.

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. Agreed

I have been reaading overnight the IMT documents

What Rummy is saying... is not unlike the statements of those in the chain at the IMT, Goering comes to mind... I did not know of the camps, EVER.

[Solly Mack]

31. Yes, basically...that was the gist

cRummy couldn't say who was in charge of the interrogation/etc

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. William what he did was amazingly good

now Kennedy is up, wiht the Geneva Conventions and the message from the top

[SayitAintSo]

15. Watching McCain .... a thing of beauty .....n/t

[supernova]

16. I was taking a phone call..

x( about a possible job.

What did McCain say?

[TahitiNut]

25. I still don't agree with McCain's politics!

However ... John McCain WAS A POW who was ABUSED this way!

While I wholly disagree with McCain's political ideologies, I have no doubt he appreciates what happens at Abu Ghraib.

He damned well knows about the command control the interrogators have over the guards. He damned well knows that there're TWO "chains of command" in a POW compound: (1) adminstration and "janitorial," and (2) interrogation and "treatment."


He indeed asked the seminal questions ... and the cockroaches at the witness table ran from the light.

[Occulus]

2. Kennedy up now. nt

Just called Rummy all but a war criminal!!!!

[FreakinDJ]

9. Kennedy just mentioned RedCross reports

given directly to Rumsfeld

Oh no this can't be good for Rummy

[matcom]

3. GET HIM TEDDY!!!

"YOU FAILED TO ACT" :bounce:

[AussieInCA]

5. contract interigators - maybe osama can hire them too

[Postman]

7. Kennedy pointing out that it is NOT isolated incidents....

n/t

[Postman]

8. Kennedy pointing out that it is NOT isolated incidents....

n/t

[VolcanoJen]

12. Kennedy: The symbol of America is no longer the Statue of Liberty...

... it's a photo of a hooded man standing on a box with electrodes attached...

[trof]

13. Is R. twiddling thumbs while Teddy talks to him?

Or wringing hands?
Get 'im, Teddy!

[SayitAintSo]

19. Saw that ... looked a little smirky to me ...n/t

[Solly Mack]

14. Ha! Kennedy just busted cRummy on Geneva

concerning Gitmo/Iraq and his varying opinion on who it applies to

[Solly Mack]

17. Kennedy is so gonna cause cRummy to blow his stack

lol Loving it!!!

[SuffragetteSal]

28. holy crap!

Ted has proof Rummy said "he didn't have any concerns about the Gitmo detainees"...

I better go get my blood pressure medicine because I am getting way too excited! This is important, this is history right now.

[Solly Mack]

42. Yep! That very moment changed it all

cRummy and even Bush can't defend their "enemy combatant" statements regarding Gitmo/Afghanistan now...(not that they ever could)

[myrna minx]

91. The original air date for 60 min

would have been during the week the Supreme Court heard arguments about Gitmo et. AL. if I am not mistaken. Coincidence?

[maddezmom]

18. Teddy...when did you know???

rummy getting ticked.....

rummy is saying he knew in January

[0007]

20. Teddy is getting pissed while fummy id playing dodge ball

[PaDUer]

55. Rummy running the clock...

they're ALL pros at it..

[bhunt70]

22. Rummy is getting killed.

McCain and now Teddy.

[Oddman]

23. GO TED GO!!!

You can always trust him to ask the REAL questions!!!!! Rummy squirms . . . .


Torture Accomplished

[bill]

24. When did you know it?!!

Get'm Teddy!

[mvd]

41. Ted's doing great

McCain did well, too.

Rummy the Dummy has avoided the question about who was in charge. I don't think these soldiers woke up one day and decided to do this. Their whole careers revolve around taking orders. I think there were orders to torture from higher up.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

46. The Magic Words: "When did you know it?"

I loved hearing Rummy admit that anyone in chain of command who suggested or directed the abusive tactics 'should be brought to justice.'

YEAH! Cause he sure did that thing, yes he did.

[VolcanoJen]

26. Kennedy suggests the the Cabinet knew, because Colin Powell...

... brought this issue up repeatedly in Cabinet meetings. Is he not implying that the President knew, by saying this?

[matcom]

29. WHOOP

there it is :)

[Timefortruth]

27. Who was up before Kennedy?

Aren't they alternating between Democrats and Republicans? I was listening to the tube and didn't catch who was doing the questioning, but it didn't sound friendly.

[myrna minx]

33. McCain-and he mopped the floor with Rummy. n/t

[proud patriot]

43. McCain was the the questioner prior to Kennedy

:hi:

[trof]

30. Shades of Watergate: "What did you know and when..."

did you know it?
Deja vu.

[bobbieinok]

32. Kenndy prushes for direct answer-- R statems vs Geneva conven

[Postman]

34. This is being investigated, what's the big deal??? -Rumsfeld's attitiude

n/t

[The empressof all]

35. Rummy's getting defensive

What an ass

[nadinbrzezinski]

Rummy's head is getting red

he knows he is in trouble but he still looks smug

[SayitAintSo]

37. If Rummy gets testy he's toast ... Ted will get him testy ...

Getting testy now ... gesticulating and emphatic ... voice raising ...good theatre !

[readmylips]

38. Ted needs to cut rumbutt off...

he's not anwering questions just bullshiting. Ted's face is red, so was McCain. Ted is letting him get away with it.

SadAss Robert on. The big promoter of the fake war.

[WilliamPitt]

39. Hang the fuck on...how is this a hearing???

The Senators seem to be getting like 30 seconds to ask questions, and are not allowed to follow up on bullshit answers.

This is crap.

[VolcanoJen]

47. Since Rummy and the Generals gave sweeping, long opening statements...

... Sen. Warner cut the time the Senators were given to question from 6 to 5 minutes.

This is no hearing... this is a bandstand.

[AussieInCA]

62. televised round the globe live..just makes "US democracy" a farce

this is accountability...what do they think the world are dumb?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

63. "Say you're officially sorry and sin no more. Next!" Confessional show...

Oh shit, Byrd has voice problems...

[Solly Mack]

73. That about sums it up.

Go and sin no more...

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. This will not end here

IMT comes to mind AGAIN

[VelmaD]

48. This sucks ass

They better be gonna come back to each Senator again later for more questions. Otherwise I think we need to light up the Senate switchboard on this one.

[myrna minx]

49. It is like the Griswald tour of the Louvre.

Why is their time so limited? :grr:

[Failure]

94. love the image....thanks nt

[Wind Dancer]

51. Rumsfeld is

NOT answering the questions, SOB!

[Solly Mack]

You are supposed to be so overwhelmed by the plethora of "experts"

and their opening statements that you weren't supposed to notice.

I swear, you just won't get in line, will you? Troublemaker!!!!

:)

[trof]

40. Sen. Roberts (R) lobs first softball.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

Beat me to it....

this is ridiculous. Partisan politics at it worst.

[LittleApple81]

58. He is the chair of the Intelligence committee. He wants to blame

everybody else except the guilty ones.

[LittleApple81]

70. Byrd: massive policy failure... good start n/t

[maddezmom]

44. Roberts: we're the abuses condoned, permitted or encouraged?

rummy: certainly not

They all better read up on MG Miller

[Caution]

45. Rumsfeld just said he spoke to the president about the report in March!!!

Is it me or did he just throw Bush under the bus? Bush stated he knew nothing of this until he saw the pictures on TV and knew nothing of the report and now rumsfeld says he discussed the report with him.

[slinkerwink]

50. whoops

[VolcanoJen]

52. Bush will parse this, by saying he didn't see the *pictures* until...

... the rest of the world saw them. He'll say he never said he didn't *know* about the problems in general.

At any rate... the buck stops there, and there's just no getting out of it now.

[Wind Dancer]

69. Byrd's up

[Emboldened Chimp]

54. If that's the case, then he KNOWS he's toast...

[PaDUer]

65. Sen Byrd up now...

this ought to be good!

[aquart]

92. Byrd is clearly ill.

If he has what I had, he's drugged to the gills just to be able to talk.

[maddezmom]

56. bush* /snotty at the WH has admitted bush* knew about allegations in jan

[SayitAintSo]

68. Byrd's up ... This ought to be good ... going after the Prez !!!!

[Gin]

57. I think * said he didnt know about the "pictures"....remember...they

tell half truths...or put another way..they are liars.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Watergate again, comes to mind

but so does the International Military Tribunal, at Nuremberg, the deputy commander also knows his ass is on the line

[Caution]

59. Even the R side of the aisle is asking a few tough questions!

Asked Rummy specifically about allegations of MI ordering torture to soften up prisoners. (of course he then went on to say "we have to be careful not to undermine the war effort").

[Mandate My Ass]

60. "some criminal actions took place"

It's all so passive, so serene. Nobody ever does anything.

Deaths occurred, actions took place, abuse transpired.

Poor iraqis, things just fall out of the sky and land on them and it's nobody's fault.

[Emboldened Chimp]

64. Byrd!!!!!

[maddezmom]

74. this ought to be interesting

Byrd...haven't a peep out of either one of you ( myers and rummy)

[BeHereNow]

FINALLY! Byrd addresses the REAL matter

WHY wasn't the CONGRESS informed.
GO ROBERT BYRD!!!!
THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT CAN BRING HIM DOWN!
BHN

[WilliamPitt]

66. Here comes Robert Byrd

[alvis]

67. Robert Byd is up now n/t

[LittleApple81]

77. Truman did not shirk his responsibility.

Not in this administration. Arrogance and denial.

[BeHereNow]

71. BYRD!!!

You are FUCKED now Rummy.
The master is about to slice you like a melon.
BHN

[Wind Dancer]

78. Byrd is in full force

[trof]

81. R. smirking, talking to aides.

Better watch yo ass, Donny.

[BeHereNow]

BYRD will GET HIM!

Can't wait- can't wait!!!
Rumsy is not nearly as smart as Byrd.
Byrd is going to trap him.
I just KNOW it!
BHN

[CrownPrinceBandar]

72. Sic 'em Bobby!!!!!!

You WV-haters listen up.

[PaDUer]

80. Says.

"the buck stops here", quoting President Truman...Get ready Rummy, cuz he's coming after you now!

[nonconformist]

75. Get 'em Byrd!!! nt

[Mandate My Ass]

79. arrogance and disdain for congress

go, robert!

[SuffragetteSal]

85. "Misplaced bravado"!

Go Robert indeed!

[Wind Dancer]

93. Rumsfeld is

answering with BS answers.

[readmylips]

82. Senator Byrd on....

attacking dumb bush, why bush saying he didn't know when it is factual that he knew. Why they tried it to cover up? The media was forced to bring the cover up out to the public.

[spotbird]

83. Right wing spin, since there was a press release in

January saying there might be pictures of abuse there was no cover-up.

Um, morans, the pictures weren't released nor the actual nature of the abuse revealed. The report was so vague that it was worthless. It must give the Freepers something to cling to, man those people get more simpleminded every day.

[frank frankly]

on my gawd. Byrd has me in tears.

please i hope people are listening and those who didn't know about BushCo are learning how bad they are.

[bobbieinok]

84. Byrd arrorgance and contempt of this adm--Truman 'buck stops here'

[proud patriot]

86. Rummy is being an arrogant ****** to Byrd pisses me off emensly

:mad:

[swag]

88. It is nice to see the media implicated yet again

the announcement of abuse allegations that so few heard of.

[BinkieGirl]

89. Go Byrd!

We'll put my copy of the time line in the record next to yours....now answer the *freaking* questions.

Priceless!

[Oddman]

90. Go Byrd!!!

God Rummy makes me sick!!!!! "The world has known about it for a long time." How can he say that with a straight face????


“I is sorry . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .that we got caught!”

[proud patriot]

95. please continue in thread 4 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1548969

[Richardo]

96. Byrd: "Is apology to the King of Jordan enough to restore moral standing?"

Rumsfeld (not answering): "Everybody has apologized."

:eyes: