Was the Fallujah incident payback for the prison stories?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

Since some members of our fellatiating press seems to be justifying this incident based on the treatment of the Blackwater contractors, I say the logic runs both ways.

In fact, these prison incidents could have HARDLY been a secret on the streets of Iraq given that some prisoners had been released. There HAD to be gossip and there HAD to be means of letting people on the streets know that this was occurring in the American run prisons.

Remember, this is a GUERILLA war where information travels by runners and word of mouth..not fancy schmancy GPS devices that someone can sit with a set of headphones and monitor.

In the game of TIT FOR TAT, that our right wing bloviators seem to be advocating, the treatment of prisoners is justified based on incidents such as Fallujah...however...for the timeline impaired..these incidents filmed at the prisons occurred WAY prior to this spring....

Is it possible that the Fallujah uprising was so severe and fierce because this effacement of Muslim men was known on the streets?

Wasn't Fallujah TIT..not TAT?

[murphymom]

1. You got it!

I've been thinking exactly the same thing.

[Greylady]

2. Just days before the Blackwater killings

Bremer shut down a newspaper because it was printing so-called inflammatory-to-the-coalition, stories.

[atreides1]

6. Not Related

That paper belonged to the Shiite cleric Al-Sadr, the population of Fallujah are Sunni.

Could it be that perhaps someone recently released from Abu Ghraib recognized one of the mercenaries as someone who was at the prison
assisting in the interrogations?

[Tinoire]

3. It's because the women in the prison

remember my friend, you haven't heard about what happened to the women yet, got the word out on what was happening there. Also, the day before, a mercenary had been shooting women & children in the back of the heads with hollow points, exploding the heads. The ridiculous story that this all started because the US wanted to shut down Sadr's newspaper is very incomplete- they shut down his paper because he was reporting what was going on.

Back to the women, raped women were being released from the prison in various stages of undress... That my friend is why Fallujah exploded the way it did.

Here you go... There were more but I don't have them saved.


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03 05 2004 (Note the date)

The newspaper reminds that militants attacked the (Abu Ghraib) prison several days ago. 22 prison guards and inmates were killed and 51 injured. The reason for this was probably a leaflet that can be seen on the outside of the prison's wall...similar leaflets are now appearing in many mosques in Baghdad...cry for help from the hostages of that Iraqi prison...

We are held in the northern sector. Attack this prison and put an end to our disgrace, and if you cannot do this for the love of the Most High, tell someone who can stick up for us or give us some 'Bahe Maneh al-Hamel'. May Allah and Iraqi patriots put an end to our tortures». 'Bahe Maneh al-Hamel' is the Arab for 'contraceptive pills'.

The women detained in Abu Ghraib are feeling ashamed when they evasively tell about the desperate situation that they are in (which any Eastern woman would experience in the conditions of constant violence committed by prison guards, new Iraqi policemen and the Americans). Any Muslim who read this message will feel his blood curdle from indignation.

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One of the Iraqis working on a contract with the US administration told La Stampa about one of such terrible episodes. He says that almost 2,500 inmates are held in that prison. The prison is divided into 4 sections. 600 inmates are women. One of them is a bank teller from Baghdad. She was put in jail in January for financial fraud. She could only be released on bail. The family collected $15,000 and this person was sent to discuss the details of release. When he saw her in a room, she had a big stomach. She was sobbing and telling that she was raped by Iraqi prison guards and American soldiers each night, and she does not want to get out of the prison. She told not to say anything to her relatives, because if she returns to Baghdad she will die from shame.

The same person said that two women already hung themselves in their cells. Another woman gave a birth in confinement. The newborn baby was a mulatto. Allegedly, the US military authorities conducted an internal investigation, but no guilty have been found.

Amnesty International is calling on the complex investigation of all cases of violence against the inmates in Iraq.

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http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2730

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((with thanks to Chookie))

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The real facts are that there is report after report of US abuses; on the internet, in the back pages of our newspapers, in personal accounts that with a little luck will now make their way to mainstream press. This is not an isolated few - this is business as usual for the US military and their collaborating band of thugs in Iraq. Is it any wonder that bodies of US soldiers who fall into Iraqi hands are mutilated and displayed?

The pictures of US soldiers dishonoring Iraqi detainees came as no surprise to JUS (Jihad Unspun). We have been reporting alleged abuses since shortly after the fall of Baghdad. We received several reports over the past months of US soldiers raping Iraqi woman, only to find these photos posted to US porn sites. While these photos and reports were put down to "loose" Iraqi women (which shows a fundamental understanding of Iraq's religion and culture) we discovered later that those who were detained, some at Abu Ghraib prison, who refused to provide US officials with intelligence where given a prod to garner "cooperation" by rounding up the female relatives, forcing then into sexual acts that were filmed and then shown to their husbands, fathers and brothers and to the general public through porn sites. Now the CBS 60 Minutes II report legitimizes the incidents we have been reporting all along.

The Arab world is outraged. The Muslim Ummah is outraged. Iraqis are outraged and so are people of conscience everywhere. I pity the next soldiers that fall into Resistance hands. And contrary to its belief - America can be defeated and most likely will be defeated and dangled at the end of its own pathetic rope for all the world to see.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=2811&list=/home.php&

I posted these stories in a thread called "The Women of Abu Ghraib"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1517119

[bluedog]

4. speaking of pictures

anyone remember the picture of a father with a hood over his head bound and sitting in the sand with his little son next to him? Wonder what happened to the little guy?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Wow I hadn't seen some of these..

truly horrific

[kentuck]

5. RiverBend , the blogger suggests as much in her post this morning...

It was posted earlier...I don't have the link at my fingertips.

[Crunchy Frog]

8. There's probably all kinds of atrocities

going on that we have absolutely no inkling of. According to the Riverbend blog, these prison abuses have been common knowledge.

It's quite likeley that things have been going on in Falluja that we don't know about. There certainly seems to be a great deal of rage in the general population. The members of the mob in Falluja didn't look like guerrilla fighters but like adolescent and pre-adolescent boys.

Gosh, maybe it is possible that Iraqis get as angry at Americans as Americans do at them. Maybe they even have the temerity to think that they're just as human as we are.

Of course, maybe they just don't like being occupied by a foreign military, even if there weren't any abuses going on.

[DrWeird]

9. The Fallujah incident wasn't as bad as Abu Ghraib.

In Fallujah, the mercenaries were killed in combat and later their corpses were attacked by an angry mob of civilians.

Now it could be the mob was angry because of Abu Ghraib, as they should be, but if it were tit for tat they would have captured the mercs alive, humilitated them, tortured them, and then killed them.

[nostamj]

10. actually, I read that these 'contractors'

had been guilty of killing/maiming Iraqis in Fallujah.

it certainly was NOT the closing of the paper.

as disgusting as it was, it was retailiation for disgusting acts.

bush is a war criminal for privitizing the war to increase PROFIT for his corporate pigs.

he is a war criminal. period.

[CatWoman]

11. That's a VERY good observation, Teena

leave it to you!!

:loveya:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. I had actually been thinking it since Sunday when I read the New Yorker

article...there's no way these people couldn't have known.

[doni_georgia]

13. We know now that the pix released were the least offensive ones

There were many more not releaseed and video tapes showing much worse acts, according to Rumsfeld. Of course, they are now legal evidence for a military trial, so we will never know the contents. I can only imagine. My guess is they have the videotapes of female relatives of detainees being raped. Rush Limbaugh said just yesterday that this wasn't torture! This wasn't abuse! These were soldiers "letting off steam. . . having a good time . . .it was nothing worse than what happens at a Skull and Bones initiation." Torture and abuse of Iraqi males is NOTHING to Rush, because he doesn't believe they are human anyway. And hell, we all know how he feels about all women!

I agree that the uprisings throughout Iraq in recent weeks are most likely a result of American treatment of Iraqis - both civilians and detainees.