Things just got worse

[AlCzervik]

www.drudgereport.com see my other post from wapo at the bottom

[Democat]

1. The text of the page

Unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and 'acting inappropriately with a dead body.' Also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing guards raping young boys... Developing...

[madmax]

3. OMG

necrophilia and pedophilia - I'm sick.

[saigon68]

23. THE ANAL RAPE OF THE 16 YEAR OLD BOY IS COMING

Prison Guards standing around filming the action.

These few who are being COURT MARTIALED are going to SING LIKE CANARIES.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. they are already singing

[scrotim]

33. Saigon, where are you getting your specific information on all this? thank

[DrWeird]

41. The US Army.

It's in a leaked Army report, and Army officials are now telling it to NBC reporters.

I'm sure the video will be released soon.

[saigon68]

45. THE MILITARY IS LEAKING IT TO THE PRESS RIGHT NOW !!

Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930 /

SCREWED IN THE RECTUM WHILE MILTARY GUARDS STOOD AND WATCHED. CHILDREN SCREAMING AS THEY WERE SODOMIZED.

[Leezamarie]

74. What is this "having sex" ? In that situation it is rape

there can be no real consent under these coersive conditions

[northernsoul]

135. It's RAPE, not sex

Under those conditions, the behavior cannot constitute anything other than 1st Degree Rape - to call it "having sex" is like describing someone being clubbed to death as "mild fisticuffs"

[VolcanoJen]

104. Will THAT be enough to end support for this wretched war?

How much are my fellow Americans willing to endure?

Standing by, while women, boys, and men are raped? Participation by troops? Videotaping the whole goddamned thing to show your "buddies" back stateside?

How much is enough to end popular support for this war????

[Bandit]

117. I think this is just stirring up their blood-lust

These Republicans are almost giddy over this. They seem to feel we are finally getting back at them for all the perceived wrongs they have caused us. The more these pictures are shown the more they are going to call the left and anyone who criticizes them traitors to America and our Glorious War Effort and Glorious War pResident

[Tinoire]

125. Thank goodness for decent outraged people everywhere

The military as many of us know it, is compromised of many fine people, who were not asked to go to war but were ordered to do so, were ordered to go wage an illegal war and lied to.

The fine people I know will not let this horror be blamed on 6 junior soldiers, some of whom barely had one stripe, when it was a systemic problem coming from the top. Nor will they sit by quietly as the neo-cons hang the military out to dry.

And I hate to break it to Bush, his supporters, and his apologists but Military Intelligence isn't stupid. They didn't orchestrate this crap and happen to be smart enough to sink Bush and his entire ship; they won't be Bush's fall-guys nor will the CIA which already hates his guts. So what if they have to hang a few of their own out to dry- they won't care because they're probably as ashamed of their own who "just followed orders" as we all are.

Hey Georgie-boy, KMA because you're going down, down, down. There's not a soldier in MI whose IQ isn't higher than yours.

[rumguy]

63. was it the US soldiers doing the raping or Iraqis?

[saigon68]

69. The Iraqi Contractor Interrogators were sodomizing the children

US troops were filming that action. No word yet on who was raping the women-- here is the link again

Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930 /

SCREWED IN THE RECTUM WHILE MILTARY GUARDS STOOD AND WATCHED. CHILDREN SCREAMING AS THEY WERE SODOMIZED.

[daleo]

78. Kennedy was misquoted, or he doesn't get it

"But Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., called on Bush to fire Rumsfeld and replace him with Secretary of State Colin Powell. Powell, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the first Gulf War, knows how to win a war in Iraq, Kennedy said."

What is needed now is somebody who knows how to get out of a war, not how to win it. This is not winnable now, if it ever was. I don't think it ever was.

[bolokshi]

99. Not saying anything!

....still crap not saying much.

[VolcanoJen]

106. What will be enough for you, bolokshi?

Lynndie-with-a-Leash just didn't shock you enough? Man on the Box not disgusting enough for you? Piles of naked prisoners, and soldiers giving cheery "thumbs-UP" to the photographer?

What, exactly, pushes you over the edge? Color me curious...

[Tinoire]

124. Rah rah oom pa boom! The gloves are off right?

Still crap compared to what? The true facts we get from Fox? Rumsfeld's lies? Bush's madness? Pray elaborate.

"The feeling among US soldiers I've spoken to in the last week is also that 'the gloves are off'. Many of them still think they are dealing with people responsible for 9/11".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1212197,00.html

Quote from seemslikeadream's thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=539597#540620

[DoYouEverWonder]

113. Now people know why

they were hanging the burnt bodies of the mercenaries in Falluja and why they made sure there were hi-res cameras there to broadcast the images to the world.

[leftchick]

121. Exactly DYEW!

Sadly the muriKans will never connect those dots and I highly doubt our TV news will either.

[calimary]

131. I mentioned this in a conversation with my mom last night.

She wasn't paying a lot of attention because she has relatives visiting from out of town. I mentioned that I was watching the hearings about all the prisoner torture. She brought up - well, they burned those four Americans' bodies and just did horrible things to them. I responded: "well, Mom, the Red Cross and Amnesty International were trying to get to the bottom of this last summer, and there were rumors about this all over the place. How do we know that the killings of the mercenaries weren't IN RESPONSE to all this?" She then mumbled something about "well, I don't know..."

It sure makes more sense to me. More sense by the day.

DUers PLEASE NOTE:

WHEN you call your reps - ESPECIALLY ANY republi-CONS - you MUST, repeat MUST word your complaint such that: "...this is being done in MY name. This (to staffer who's taking your call) is being done in YOUR name. This is being done in (Senator's/Congressmember's) name, too."

I have made this a habit in the last week or so, when I've called. THEY HAVE NO COMEBACK FOR THIS. Even in "enemy territory" offices where I've called before, where some young Hitler Youth type tries to get belligerent or sassy with me, they have NO COMEBACK for this. Most of 'em, as I have personally discovered, don't have a comeback at all anymore. The ones I've called have been MOST subdued and not at all confrontational. Every one of them. EVERY single one. I think they know this is BIG trouble, and that there's NO way and NO good reason to rebut those who call in genuine anguish about this.

It's a point we absolutely NEED to drive home. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

And you can do it TOLL FREE...

[Tinoire]

123. I read that US soldiers were sodomizing the Iraqis too.

This is so sick.

"The feeling among US soldiers I've spoken to in the last week is also that 'the gloves are off'. Many of them still think they are dealing with people responsible for 9/11".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1212197,00.html

Quote from seemslikeadream's thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=539597#540620

[northernsoul]

136. If the GIs did anything to solicit, encourage, or incite the rapes

they are as complicit as the rapists under all principles of criminal law. They are criminal accessories to 1st Degree Rape.

[jsw_81]

103. Thank God President Bush shut down those rape rooms and torture chambers

</sarcasm>

[thecrow]

127. Not if they get jailed or paid off...

If they get jailed they could remain in prison for years, until Smirky and Rummy are gone.
If they get money to shut up then they will fear for their lives, and the lives of their families.

[IronLionZion]

88. I wonder how Rick Santorum feels about that

nah, it's man on dog that turns him on.

[slinkerwink]

4. man.

my god.

[saigon68]

25. ANOTHER GUY WHO SHOOTS FIRST ASKS QUESTIONS LATER

Sergeant Terry Stowe of the California National Guard 870th Military Police Company looks at a photo taken of an outdoor compound at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison as he sits in his home in Redwood City, California, May 7, 2004. Stowe, who was a guard at Abu Ghraib and shot dead two Iraqi prisoners during a riot there in November 2003, says some force is necessary to run a military prison. REUTERS/Lou Dematteis

[leesa]

46. Yes, of course that is IF we are at war and not illegally invading

a nation who did not ONE thing to us. Bastard.

[solinvictus]

89. Shooting rioters

OK, I can see that, but sexually assaulting prisoners and committing wanton acts of sadism is outrageous.

[The Night Owl]

90. Desecration of corpses, beatings, rape, and child molestation?

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?

I am livid.

We are in very dark and uncharted waters right now.

This is going to end very badly.

:scared:

[maggrwaggr]

97. Yeah so what? Just the boys (and girls ) "letting off steam"

[ProdigalProfligate]

101. acirema sselb dog!!

Land that I love.

[Oddman]

105. Just a college prank is all . . .

[Tinoire]

126. "Good ole boys just having some fun"

:mad:

[DoYouEverWonder]

114. Actually, I am glad this is finally out there

and if we survive the process, we will all be much better off.

Thank god we are in the digital age and these reptiles don't really understand how that factors into the game. This has been going on for decades, it's just that in the past it was so much easier for them to hide their misdeeds. That's why Rummie kept ranting and raving about digital cameras. If he could he would destroy every digital camera in the world, but it's too late, we've already crossed the Rubicon (figuratively and literally).

[chaska]

96. Everybody please remember to direct your anger at the man responsible...

GEORGE W. BUSH. Forget about Rumsfeld. Repeat after me: BUSH OUT NOW! BUSH OUT NOW!

[Oddman]

108. BUSH OUT NOW!

Torture Accomplished

[oldhat]

2. Nothing

Nothing you can say.

[JoFerret]

6. Nothing is this report either

...other than Drudge grandstanding.

[DrWeird]

14. It's an MSNBC story

citing Army officials telling NBC there are photos of US troops raping women, children, and something inappropriate with a corpse.

[City Lights]

31. No, it's Lindsey Graham.

A few minutes later, Graham told a press conference, “We’re talking about rape and murder here, we’re not just talking abut giving people a humiliating experience, we’re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.”

Worried about the propaganda effect of a Rumsfeld resignation, Graham said that although Rumsfeld “failed us,” it would risk sending the wrong signal to the enemy and “empower them” if he were forced to quit.

 © 2004 MSNBC Interactive

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4925942/

[aquart]

49. So who takes the fall? Myers?

Graham is taking Gigot's opinion that a Rumsfeld resignation would make Bush look in the wrong, and weak, and cause him to be rejected at the polls.

I'm sure the defense industry has a wonderful, cushy job for Myers.

[Politicub]

65. We all take the fall for this one

How can we recover from this on the world stage? What is our exit strategy for Iraq? With most of our military already deployed, how are we going to fight those who are newly incensed at the US because of these images?

I can not even imagine a light at the end of this tunnel.

[City Lights]

72. Bush should take the fall.

He is the commander in chief.

[Leezamarie]

79. Your forces film child sodomy. There is no recovery on world stage

The "bad apples" bullshit won't work. US not fit to occupy Iraq. Calibre of personnel too low. No responsibility taken. Sick US commentators condone atrocities.

[Kool Kitty]

109. Good God Almighty.

You are right. There is no recovery, no excuse.

[Tinoire]

129. Welcome to DU Leezamarie, you got that one totally right

You got that one totally right; there is no recovery on world stage.

It is now time for the bad actors to leave the stage.

We are hosed. I can NOT imagine the justified rage Iraqis, and their fellow Arabs must be feeling right now.

There isn't a hole deep enough for us to hide our shame.

[rasputin1952]

83. The light we see...

is an oncoming train...:(

[ProdigalProfligate]

102. Theres only ONE WAY OUT!

Blame Lynndie England. It's all HER fault.

Then everyone will be happy and we can go on our following our glorious, determined bushie leader!

[Tinoire]

130. That's certainly the "Out" that the neo-cons thought of.

Of course, they're in FULL panic mode and can't keep their lies straight. No time to coordinate because they never understood the power of "digital cameras on the battlefield" and this scandal is snow-balling faster than they can think.

Hate to break it to them. Lynndie England is not the true culprit here; she was merely a willing instrument of their evil. Oh no... the buck does not stop with Lynndie England, 2 NCOs, a few specialists and a handful of Privates. Whoops, and a Brigadier General thrown in for the show.

I hate to repeat cynical humor but one DUer I like did say that it's time to grab some pop-corn, sit back and watch the show. The show has only just begun, the finger pointing is only now beginning. The boys are going DOWN, down. I am only sorry that it's coming at the price of so much suffering.

[Tinoire]

128. Nuremberg II

CBS asked to delay report?
May 7: Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn., asked Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers if CBS was contacted and asked to delay its news report on the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

<snip>

Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, asks CBS-TV to delay airing photographs it has obtained of abuse at Abu Ghraib. Myers says the photos would exacerbate an intense period of violence under way in Iraq. CBS delays its program for two weeks.

<snip>

May 2
Myers admits on ABC’s "This Week" that he has not yet read the Taguba report issued in March.

<snip>

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., noted with “deep dismay” that Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had briefed the panel about Iraq in a classified session last week but did not mention the scandal, which the government knew was about to break in the news media.

Myers, for his part, acknowledged that he had called Dan Rather of CBS News to ask that the network delay broadcasting the photographs on “60 Minutes II,” saying he did so to protect U.S. troops from retaliation. Myers and Rumsfeld then got into a heated discussion with Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn., who said such action had no place in a democracy, to which Rumsfeld responded that there were precedents.

<snip>

Myers testified that an investigation of four prisons under the command of the unit in charge of Abu Ghraib had not turned up other problems. But the Army’s own probe, an executive summary of which was obtained by NBC News ((Complete text of Article 15-6 Investigation of the 800th Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba}}, detailed numerous instances of abuse at Camp Bucca, the U.S. detention center in Umm Qasr in southern Iraq.

<snip>

NBC News http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/

[wabeewoman]

98. Cover-up!!

They (Congress, bush administration) are going to try to cover this up because "it would risk sending the wrong signal to the enemy and “empower them” if we admit to the truth. Scapegoat time...

[DoYouEverWonder]

115. Wrong, Lindsey

it will send the message to the world that in a democracy, when the executives in power commit crimes, they are brought to justice.

It will send a message to the world that America is strong and in a democracy you can have a peaceful change of leadership and that America can survive this national nightmare.

Lindsey should remember he took an oath to protect and defend the USA, not George W. Bu$h.

[JoFerret]

7. I keep repeating

...it must be indigestion

[lovedems]

11. It is a link to MSNBC.

The words came from a military commander.

This is sick.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. Gotta love those

merry pranksters (und ihre lustige Streiche).

And Goddamit, I refuse to click on that Drudge link.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I will put it to you this way

for once he is reporting news

[Jackpine Radical]

54. It's kind of a personal thing, Nadine.

I just despise Drudge & refuse to give him my traffic.

[lovedems]

8. I wonder how Limbaugh feels about his frat boy prank now.

This is going to go way beyond horrible. I have this pit in my stomach that won't go away.

[skooooo]

40. geeze really...

..how is he going to spin this one?

[0007]

70. Bill Moyers blasted the Rush Limbaugh "frat boy prank"

on his program tonight on PBS. This will be goo for Rush's popularity, eh? I loved it!

[TeeYiYi]

91. I saw that . . .

. . . you could tell Bill Moyers was disgusted.

TYY

[DrWeird]

9. "acting inappropriately with a dead body."

Jesus fucking Christ.

What's left? Midgets?

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. go look at any photos from oh WW II

then stop at the killing fields of Cambodia, the dirty war in Argentina, then stop at El Salvador, and Guatemala... while you are at it, go for Rwanda, then Bosnia... and my bad I should have started with the first holocaust of the 20th century, the Armenian Holocaust.

After you do that, you will have an idea of where this can still go...

[Politicub]

47. Oh my god

America's standing in the world is permanently tarnished by Bush and his f-ing evil administration.

I would have never imagined that the US was capable of these atrocities. It makes me sick to my stomach that they are getting worse.

[aquart]

57. We just never took pictures before.

That made it easy to believe, really, genuinely believe, that we are the boyscouts of the world.

[Politicub]

61. "There was a pattern and a system."

Those chilling words are from the MSNBC article.

The worst is yet to come.

In context:
Answering a question many lawmakers have posed, Red Cross Operations Director Pierre Kraehenbuehl said the abuse went beyond a few soldiers and detainees held at Abu Ghraib. “We were dealing here with a broad pattern, not individual acts,” he said. “There was a pattern and a system.”

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Wrong we did,

Saipan Island in Vietnam

May Lai also had pictures

And every war has those who are in carge keeping records

Teh amazing part is that those who end up commiting any kind of horror do not learn from history and forget to keep mememtos and
records

[Tinoire]

132. I don't consciously recall seeing photos of My-Lai

but I do remember how horrified I was as a child of the photos I did see. Do you have any that really touched you? I would appreciate it if you could tell me which ones in particular.

I never ever thought we would relive this shame. I'm not naive, not uninformed, but I am outraged that this is happening under our watch. We stand for & deserve better than this.

Truly, I would like us to have our own country and let the Freepers & Neo-cons live in their own separate country. They do not represent us, how DARE they use our collective name like this?

[DoYouEverWonder]

122. But at the time of all those events

they did not have digital cameras and the internet.

Now they can't hide their atrocities anymore. The images will not go away and there are more coming. The US and the rest of planet have some major issues to deal with in the next few months - years. I am hopeful that by the time we get through this crisis, the world will start to become a better place because we certainly can not continue to treat each other like this.

[lostnfound]

137. Don't forget the Philipines..

lovely photo in 'Addicted to War' of US soldiers standing on top of a mountain of skeletons.

[Tansy_Gold]

38. Please, no slurs on small people

We are human beings, too.

[DrWeird]

44. Sorry, I apologize to little people.

The pornographers just don't often use that term in that context.

[markses]

39. LOL

Sorry. I couldn't help it. I just burst out laughing when I saw your post. Must be the horror of it all. Jeeezz. I mean, laughing hysterically.

[Bandit]

118. What's left? Midgets?

Then you haven't heard?

[flamingyouth]

10. "Acting inappropriately with a dead body"

What can you even say about that?:puke:

I'm so ashamed.

[Doosh]

12. oh great NECROPHILIA!

:puke:

[daleo]

30. It could be something else

But guaranteed it will still be sickening. I wonder if this will be done as the classic Friday night news dump, or it is all so beyond the pale that they won't even care about that.

[TeeYiYi]

95. There is one story . . .

. . . where an Iraqi is already dead and packed in ice. Some guards put the body on a gurney, insert an IV and pound on the chest of the corpse as they wheel it out of the prison . . . pretending to try to revive the person from a heart attack or something. The guy had been dead for hours.

TYY

[The empressof all]

13. If these are true

I fear we are lost. I need to restrain myself from sinking into a raging irrational rant. I can't even articulate the degree of anger I feel towards groups of people who I now believe with all my heart are responsible for these military folks actions. What have we taught these people. Where have they learned that this is anyway to behave. I am so ashamed I am so depressed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Now what are we all going to do about it....

WE must speak with a loud voice NOW... and make sure the world knows

[PaDUer]

50. Indeed

Everyone to DC...it must be done...We can NOT stay away and act as if this is ok because it's NOT..the ENTIRE world is waiting for the people to take a stand and get them OUT of DC now...As I said in an earlier post, I was reading the Pravda forum, and it's written there in black and white.

No wonder pops hasn't been around lately...and ma barker on the news tonite promoting her book for mothers day and how PROUD she is of her son!! That infested maggot!

[AlCzervik]

15. From the washington post just in

Reservist Charged With Abuse Speaks Out

By Jackie Spinner
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 7, 2004; 7:11 PM


There were no rules, by her account, and little training. But the mission was clear. Spec. Sabrina Harman, a military police officer charged with abusing detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, said she was assigned to break down prisoners for interrogation.

"They would bring in one to several prisoners at a time already hooded and cuffed," Harman said in interviews by e-mail this week from Baghdad. "The job of the MP was to keep them awake, make it hell so they would talk."

Harman, one of six military police reservists charged with abusing detainees at the prison, is the second of those soldiers to speak publicly about her time at Abu Ghraib, and her comments echo findings of the Army's investigation into prisoner abuse there. That probe documented the maltreatment of detainees shown in now-famous photographs, and it found the prison was chaotically run, that there were no apparent rules governing interrogations, and that Harman's military police unit was ill-trained for the job it was asked to perform.

She said her military police unit took direction from the military intelligence officers in charge of the facility and from civilian contractors there who conducted interrogations. She didn't discuss the abusive treatment of prisoners, who ordered abusive treatment of prisoners, or any questions about the charges against her.

Harman's face is now famous as belonging to one of the soldiers who posed in a widely published photograph showing naked Iraqi detainees stacked in a pyramid. The picture is one of several that have inflamed the Arab World and brought condemnation from President Bush and other American political and military leaders.

She also is charged with striking several detainees by jumping on a pile of detainees, writing "rapeist" on a prisoner's leg and with attaching wires to a prisoner's hands while he stood on a box with his head covered, according to Army charging documents. She is accused of then telling him if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted.

In the interview, Harman, 26, said detainees were handed over to her Military Police unit by Military Intelligence officers or by the civilian contractors. Prisoners were stripped, searched and then "made to stand or kneel for hours," Harman said. Sometimes they were forced to stand on boxes or hold boxes or to exercise to tire them out, she said.

"The person who brought them in would set the standards on whether or not to 'be nice,' " she said.

A longer version of this article will be posted on washingtonpost.com after 11 p.m. EDT tonight.


© 2004 The Washington Post Company

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9130-2004May7.html

[flamingyouth]

18. You might want to edit those airfares out of your post

Tempting as they are.:D

[The empressof all]

17. ok I have to ask

What is the political affiliation of the military personnel involved in this-

[oldhat]

19. Please

Please, just stop with the politics for a while. It's really, really not appropriate now.

[yardwork]

107. I think that politics are central to this whole atrocity.

The Bush administration is a Republican administration. The Bush administration clearly ordered systemic torture of prisoners, as part of the Bush administration's invasion and subsequent occupation of another country.

This is totally politics. Get the Republicans out of the White House and out of Congress.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Army

don't make this a political thing

[The empressof all]

35. It is political

It was the asinine republican political manuvering that got us into this fricken mess to begin with

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. The troops do not have a political afiliatiion

they only have a word at the voting booth.

Place the blame where it needs to be put, the leadership, and a failure of command.

What you are doing is the same thing that some freepers have done, telling me that these guys are democrats. You are sinking to their same level... the level of the freepers

[Leezamarie]

82. Isn't it the fact that your military and government are evil degenerates?

Oh excuse me they are not 100% evil degenerates there are just some "bad apples" It's just some of your public shouting "torture them" and "some of your commentators" calling atrocities "pranks". There has been no remorse from any of the photographed "perps" because they were only following orders and it is "unjust" to blame them.

Everyone else involved is brave and good and true (even those mercenary war criminals, excuse me "contractors" who kindly came to help out with the killing)and those brave soldiers who bombed and and shot civilians 1000 civilians (including many children) last week were "serving their country". Anyone who refused to torture and murder helpless prisoners is a "hero" by American standards. And only about 120 million Americans still support the illegal invasion based on lies and the occupation that causes in excess of 1000 Iragi deaths per month. How could I ever have imagined that there was a serious problem? It's a storm in a teacup really just a few people have done some bad things.

[greenleaf]

86. Two words

Concentration Camp

[NJCher]

110. FWIW--maybe the troops are completely in the dark

This account was given to me by a student who has a cousin in the army in Iraq, south of Baghdad.

This last week I had a conversation with a student while I was finishing some work in the computer lab. While very interesting, I didn't post this earlier because I had problems with the logic. But in context with what we're learning here, maybe it's true.

The student told me his cousin told him that there are pics of GWB all over the barracks of the soldiers. The cousin (btw, my student's family is Democratic) said it is like a cult. The pics of GWB are of him in the Topgun suit giving the thumbs up (hmm, where else have we seen that?)

And who would have reproduced and distributed such a massive amount of posters? Who would "think" like that?

He said the troops are kept completely in the dark and they know nothing. They did not even know the torture story had broken in the states. Most important, he said, they think there IS a connection between Iraqis and 9/11. They actually think they're over fighting the people who did 9/11.

Why I didn't post this info earlier is that I have read posts here that say they view Fox. Fox is certainly covering this, although I have not myself watched it.

But maybe there are some bases where nothing gets through. I would put nothing past the mind manipulators we have in the WH now.


Cher

edited to correct typo

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. Amazing. If you're going to start that stuff then just get lost now.

[Bertha Venation]

53. oh, brother

It makes no difference.

[Rowdyboy]

22. So Spec Harman wrote "rapeist" on an Iraqi

She's like "Ilsa, Shewolf of the SS", only semi-literate

[Doosh]

26. I remember my frat days

Yup, raping corpses and sodomizing 16 year old boys. We all did that! It was youthful exhuberance


ahhh, who am I kidding......it's the Clenis, the Clenis did it.

[Nlighten1]

28. Holy shit...

The worst is really yet to come.

[fishnfla]

29. "having sex with a female iraqi prisoner" WTF?

the word and the action is rape.

This is the end

[JoFerret]

32. And Americans used to worry about

how to talk to their children about blow-jobs and interns. this adds a little perspective now doesn't it.

[City Lights]

77. Yeah.

I long for the days when all we fretted over was a stained blue dress.

Now we have a stained nation. :-(

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

34. The freeper take on all this...

Just found this. I haven't read it yet, but I thought y'all might be interested:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1131684/posts

[AlCzervik]

37. freeper poster child

i'm sure they think she a hero breaking down the evildoers that did 911.

[AussieInCA]

43. sick freeper aholes

that thread is horrid...if they want to show what a pack of scumbags they are that thread does it

[i have issues]

52. Why, oh why,did I go to FR?

I couldn't stop myself... I found this lovely tidbit...near the bottom of the thread... Christ.....

"After we've bombed Mecca, Tehran, Damascus and Islamabad, as surely we will before this war comes to a close; then I doubt anyone will have very strong feelings about some souvenir photos of prisoners being slapped around a bit."



I pray for random, disfiguring, car wrecks...
Time to change my avatar....

[Bertha Venation]

55. if you have to change your av, change it to Gandhi

don't give up

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Even there I found sings of shock and anger

at us, that gave me some limited hope that some freeps are waking up

[WLKjr]

59. WHY?

why do people act this way?!?!?!? Souvenirs? How fucking sick can one......well not much is shocking me anymore.

[aquart]

64. "Feminization of the military."

I don't know what these boys have against the Muslims. They have exactly the same attitude about women.

[Stockholm]

111. US needs to sign on to the ICC!!

[cliss]

42. Man, this is getting harder and harder to endure.

How far down the shithole are we going to go on this?

Let no one forget that Bush, Cheney Rumsfeld and others opened the gates of hell for all of us to see. Don't miss the source of all this.

[leesa]

51. Finally, a Bush scandal with enough sex to keep Americans deeply involved!

They might actually pay attention for a few minutes.

[PaDUer]

56. Right in time

for Mother's Day..Babs must be SO PROUD..Wonder if they're all together getting smashed drunk tonite? Pickles must be dragging out the upholstery to wear back to the ranch.

-edit-
Is this WHY they're NOT attending the graduation???

[saigon68]

58. IT'S MORE THAN CLINTON'S LEWINSKY

SCREAMING YOUNG BOYS SODOMIZED IN THE RECTUM BY CIVILIAN INTERROGATORS (READ CONTRACTORS) WHILE OUR "TROOPS" STOOD BRAVELY BY FILMING AWAY.

They couldn't even show this shit on Springer or HBO

[PfcHammer]

60. It's good that the dirt is finally getting out, but the circumstances

couldn't be worse. The country is in real bad shape if
it takes the documented rape of a child to get the
sheeple's attention. Nasty all the way around !

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Many of hte sheeple will not pay attention even now

hate to burst that bubble... read Hannah Arent's "The Banality of Evil."

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. this is not a sex scandal

these are WAR CRIMES...

[saigon68]

71. Agree totally

Rape is not sex.

It is a violent assault

The Repukes want to compare Clinton's Lewinsky to Civilian contractors sodomizing young boys.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Under the Genocide Convention

Rape has been introduced as a weapon of genocide and a War Crime

It is just that most Americans cannot face the idea that WE have, to a degree, enambled it... when this is over nobody will be a Repub or a Bush Suporter...

[opihimoimoi]

75. The DOD plays Rush CystAss radio programs over there 24/7

He spews Hate and more than a few are affected by the constant brain washing.

We have need to either get some balance or make waves to rid the DOD from playing his programs.

WE all know its a set up by the WH to garner more votes from the troops. Now they reaping what they sow, Hate. This will backfire and escalate this conflict into something where the WHOLE PLANET loses. But the myopic Bush cannot see the damage of his policies which includes this Rush thingy being played on the DOD radio for the troops.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. Assuming this is correct

you realize that Rush is now liable to prosecution?

Remember that wonderful broadcaster in Rwanda who basically pushed
hate to tutsis to incredible levels?

He was convicted by the Special War Crimes Tribunal for Rwanda...

Hey it could happen, and will make money laundering and drug abuse look like a walk in the park for Rush... nothing like adding War Crimes to his collection huh?

[Name removed]

76. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[City Lights]

80. You're sick. n/t

[narcjen]

84. Abuses reported in the New Yorker

TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB

American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

[Name removed]

85. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[RBHam]

92. The Freeple are going insane...

As Evan Bayh said : "Our cause is morally superior."

He and Joe Lieberman must have made some fans in Freeperville today.

[nonconformist]

87. I feel physically ill.

This is unimaginably horrible.

[AgadorSparticus]

93. i'm speechless....

to repeat what randi rhodes said today in her show, "ladies and gentlement, the gates of hell are now officially open"

i can't even begin to imagine the ramifications of all this.....

[Mattforclark]

94. W . T . F .

:WTF:

AAAAAAAA

[wabeewoman]

100. If in doubt about how bad it is

in Iraq check out Riverbend's blog. She has been to me a voice from the ordinary Iraqi citizen.
"People are so angry. There’s no way to explain the reactions- even pro-occupation Iraqis find themselves silenced by this latest horror. I can’t explain how people feel- or even how I personally feel. Somehow, pictures of dead Iraqis are easier to bear than this grotesque show of American military technique. People would rather be dead than sexually abused and degraded by the animals running Abu Ghraib prison.

There was a time when people here felt sorry for the troops. No matter what one's attitude was towards the occupation, there were moments of pity towards the troops, regardless of their nationality. We would see them suffering the Iraqi sun, obviously wishing they were somewhere else and somehow, that vulnerability made them seem less monstrous and more human. That time has passed. People look at troops now and see the pictures of Abu Ghraib… and we burn with shame and anger and frustration at not being able to do something. Now that the world knows that the torture has been going on since the very beginning, do people finally understand what happened in Falloojeh?"
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

[fortyfeetunder]

133. I like this one - it isn't a stain, it's a catastrophe!

"He's (Bush) claiming it's a "stain on our country's honor"... I think not. The stain on your country's honor, Bush dear, was the one on the infamous blue dress that made headlines while Clinton was in the White House... this isn't a 'stain' this is a catastrophe. Your credibility was gone the moment you stepped into Iraq and couldn't find the WMD... your reputation never existed."

She got it right on the money.

[mopaul]

112. kick............we must brace ourselves

[mbee]

116. Isn't the Party of Family Values just a lovely

bunch?

[DaveSZ]

119. All the Freepers still think Iraq = 9/11

To: Anti-Bubba182
The feminization of our military! SHEESH!

How about an apology for 9/11...

oh, never mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

4 posted on 05/07/2004 7:07:46 PM PDT by buffyt (Kerry is a Flip Flopper, he Flips Flop, all the Flop that he Flips, is well Flipped Flop!)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >



To: All
I would also like to add that I hope to God those particular pictures and video are not leaked. Uggh.

8 posted on 05/07/2004 7:20:47 PM PDT by saquin
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies >

To: Anti-Bubba182
In no way am I condoning torture, but now is the time for Drudge to dredge up Saddam's past cruelties against his own people.

17 posted on 05/07/2004 7:40:08 PM PDT by lakey
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >


To: AntiGuv
You and everyone else needs to get a grip. This ain't torture. My gosh.. When I was younger I fantasized about being a prisoner of the Amazon women who did the same things to me.
How do you know this guy ain't enjoying it?


32 posted on 05/07/2004 8:10:35 PM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies >

[slaveplanet]

120. Don't link to drudge

He gets paid everytime he gets a hit ...this info will soon be all over anyway....why support that bastard

[Shopaholic]

134. My favorite Freeper post:

Get a load of this poor deluded bastard:

But I'm really proud of our President and Secretary Rumsfeld for standing up as men to be honest and deal with it. We have the most honest, God-fearing, compassionate leaders on this earth. If they do a few things to de-feminize our military, I'll be even more proud of them.