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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:06 PM
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Explosive new Sibel Edmonds interview
Edited on Fri May-07-04 11:31 PM by Minstrel Boy
Very important, lengthy interview with the former FBI translator published today. Get a load of this - she's pointing her finger at the BCCI/BFEE Octopus, not "al Qaeda."


JH: I understand why you can't say anything about this, but there are several books out about the Bush ties to the Saudis and the bin Ladens in particular. And in David Griffin's book, The New Pearl Harbor, there is a very good synopsis of the ISI, which is the Pakistani intelligence service. He shows the direct connections between the CIA, the ISI, and Mohamed Atta. He makes a very convincing case that the Pakistani ISI had been helping to plan 9/11 for a long time.

I don't imagine that you are allowed to say much about that.

SE: You are correct. But I can tell you that the issue, on one side, boils down to money--a lot of money. And it boils down to people and their connections with this money, and that's the portion that, even with this book, has not been mentioned to this day. Because then it starts touching some people in high places.

JH: Can you explain more about what money you are talking about?

SE: The most significant information that we were receiving did not come from counter-terrorism investigations, and I want to emphasize this. It came from counter-intelligence, and certain criminal investigations, and issues that have to do with money laundering operations.

You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one. In certain points - and they (the intelligence community) are separating those portions from just the terrorist activities. And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations" which is not the case, because we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets really ugly.

JH: Let me read you a short quote from Dr. Griffin's book, quoting from War and Globalization: The Truth Behind September 11 by Michel Chossudovsky and ask you to comment on it. "...The transfer of money to Atta <$325,000>, in conjunction with the presence of the ISI chief in Washington during the week, is the missing link behind 9/11....The evidence confirms that al-Qaeda is supported by Pakistan's ISI (and it is amply documented that) the ISI owes its existence to the CIA."

SE: I cannot comment on that. But I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:09 PM
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1. bedtime here but i bookmarked for later
this lady needs a good press agent!! She should be on every front page in the country
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:12 PM
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2. A good press agent?
The Pentagon's got them all tied up - busy selling the War and the Lies that support it.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:17 PM
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5. I love what she says here:
"Even from people from whom I've been receiving support, so many times you run across people who say, "Yeah, it's terrible. I understand. And it's very courageous what you are doing." But you know how this thing is. It's a boat you can't rock. And that is what is allowing these people to take everything this far. We need to stop saying we can't rock this boat when it needs to be rocked. Listen, we pay for this boat. We elect this boat. It's our money that maintains this boat. And we are the ultimate boss here. If this boat or some section of it needs rocking, you bet we have the right and we have the power to do it. And we have the power to demand it. Otherwise we are making ourselves powerless."
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:12 PM
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3. The Role of Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI) In The September 11
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:18 PM
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6. If this planet blows to pieces this year, thank Khan Labs' and Bush
Edited on Fri May-07-04 11:21 PM by seemslikeadream
You may never have heard of Khan Laboratories, but if this planet blows to pieces this year, it will be thanks to Khan Labs' creating nuclear warheads for Pakistan's military. Because investigators had been tracking the funding for this so-called "Islamic Bomb" back to Saudi Arabia, under Bush security restrictions, the inquiry was stymied. (The restrictions were lifted, the agent told me without a hint of dark humor, on September 11.)

Noam Chomsky, who read the story on page one of the Times of India, has wondered, "Why wasn't it all over US papers?

.. A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, "There was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off" from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation.

I probed our CIA contact for specifics of investigations that were hampered by orders to back off of the Saudis. He told us that Khan Laboratories investigation had been effectively put on hold.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=312&row=0


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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:23 AM
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14. Did you see Tweety on Wed nite?
I forget who he was interviewing, but, he asked if Rummy is let go, would Armitage take his place. His name is in that link..Also remember, he was the hideous goof at the hearings on 911.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:31 AM
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17. Oh Yea, Pakistan should have been the second counrty
the US attacked after Saudi Arabia. So why do we ignore the ones harboring and financing terrorists and attack those with oil or access to it.....dUHHHHH......

The terrorists are a part of the program. Al Qaeda is a CIA operation.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:42 AM
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18. I hope Chossudovsky has his "affairs" in order
like his will, etc.

If his info ever goes public, info that shows the link of the cIA to Al Qaeda we are talking about fucking big kaaaabooooom!
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:17 PM
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4. awesome article
thanks
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:58 PM
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7. Who is SE?
This one got by me.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:05 AM
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8. Sibel Edmonds -- FBI Translator
While working for the Bureau, Edmonds discovered documents indicating the Feds were very aware of 9-11, yet did ZERO to stop it. Her bosses told her to shut up about it. Ashcroft threatened her with disclosing official secrets, or some such calico crapola. I hope she gets in the Witness Protection Program PDQ. What she knows...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:07 AM
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9. Here's a link to an important thread re: Sibel Edmonds' story:
Edited on Sat May-08-04 12:08 AM by Minstrel Boy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=442067&mesg_id=442067

She's a former FBI translator gagged by Ashcroft with the rarely used "State's Secrets Privilege" to keep her from talking about what she knows about what the FBI knew about 9/11, which was much more than has been revealed.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:08 AM
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10. The 9-11 official story apologists better come correct
The truth WILL come out - and you're all going to feel like how many German citizens felt after VE Day.

Your silence betrays your complicity.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:15 AM
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11. What happened to her petition?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:18 AM
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12. Orrin Hatch, SuperTurd of the BFEE
From Minstrel Boy's excellent Sibel Edmonds article:

EXCERPT...

JH: And it is the Attorney General who is blocking your testimony.

SE: Senator Leahy, on April 8, 2004, sent a very strong letter to Attorney General Ashcroft, citing my case stating that he, Senator Leahy, has been asking questions, and has a lot of issues that have not been addressed, and asking AG Ashcroft to come and provide answers. And AG Ashcroft for the past two years has refused. So he is calling for a public hearing. However, Senator Hatch, who is the Republican Chairman of the Senate, has been a road block. And Senator Grassley went on the record with New York Observer's Gail Sheehy and said that Senator Hatch is blocking this investigation from taking place and for this public hearing to be held by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

JH: So Hatch has the power to keep Leahy and Grassley....

SE: Correct. And now it is becoming a partisan issue. However, I keep reminding them that this issue is not a new issue that has come out for this election. This issue has been in the courts for two years and two months now.

CONTINUED...

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml


From a nice resource documenting the actions of the BFEE:

From The Outlaw Bank: BCCI, by Jonathan Beaty & S.C. Gwynne:


THE BIG SLEEP

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the BCCI affair in the United States was the failure of U.S. government and federal law enforcement to move against the outlaw bank. Instead of swift retribution, what took place over more than a decade was a cover-up of major, alarming proportions, often orchestrated from the very highest levels of government. When the Justice Department finally moved decisively against BCCI in late 1991, it did so reluctantly, with both Robert Morgenthau and the national press corps breathing down its neck.

SNIP...

Though BCCI had retained a high-powered legal team to look after its interests in Washington, two of its most active lobbyists were Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and his aide Michael Pillsbury. Both made important approaches to Washington officials as part of BCCI's attempt to remove itself from further scrutiny following its plea of guilty to the charges in Tampa.

In late 1989 Pillsbury and prominent BCCI shareholder Mohammed Hammoud visited Swaleh Naqvi in London to offer Hatch's help. This was an unusual team. Pillsbury was the former deputy under secretary for defense credited with initiating the effort to obtain Stinger missiles for the Afghan Mujahedin. Hammoud was a longtime acquaintance of Hatch who had purchased Clifford's and Altman's stock in the Naqvi-engineered deal that brought the two men millions in profits.

After the plea bargain was announced, Pillsbury was able to arrange a meeting between Hatch and BCCI lawyer Ray Banoun, during which, Banoun told The New York Times, Hatch called a Justice Department official to lobby on behalf of BCCI. The result of Hatch's contact with BCCI's lawyers was a speech drafted by Barcella, Wechsler, and Altman and delivered by Orrin Hatch on February 22, 1990, on the Senate floor. It was a ringing denunciation of Kerry and others who had criticized the Justice Department and the plea agreement.

Soon thereafter, Hatch received a warm letter from Swaleh Naqvi, who through Altman had simultaneously recruited Holland & Knight in Miami, who cited Hatch's speech to pressure Florida banking authorities into allowing the bank to stay open. Two weeks after the speech Hatch called Naqvi again, this time to encourage him to make a $10 million loan to Hatch's friend and business partner Monzer Hourani, a Lebanese immigrant from Houston, Texas....

CONTINUED...

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BCCI.htm




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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:02 AM
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24. "Orrin Hatch, SuperTurd of the BFEE" Correct as always Octafish




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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:03 AM
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28. Nice Catch Octafish
This topic is a keeper.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:21 AM
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13. just read it. It's a MUST READ
It's just ..... just ...... well I'm speechless.

The truth of 9/11 is so fucking ugly.

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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:28 AM
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15. Excellent
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bolokshi Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:30 AM
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16. Americans Always screw Americans!!
Said it all along that this was planed by Americans, Americans always screw Americans.

:evilgrin:
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:59 AM
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19. yep, just as I have always said
but this is curious that this would come from someone who is a translator for something else. Why would she be privy to this investigation?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:06 AM
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22. And another thought occured to me as well.
How is it that she lived to tell her story. Lots and lots of people didn't. If she is close, I would imagine she would be much too dangerous. And even if she had given the information to a few people, her accidental death would have been warning for all.


Also another thought occured to me while reading the transcript and that is what did she do before she went to work for the FBI as a translator? How is it that she got such high security clearance.

Just a few things that make you go hmmmmm.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:23 AM
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25. There are lots of ways to silence people.
State Secrets Privilege, for one.

Here's the Department of Justice statement regarding it's application to Edmonds:

"To prevent disclosure of certain classified and sensitive national security information, Attorney General Ashcroft today asserted the state secrets privilege in Sibel Edmonds v. Department of Justice. This assertion was made at the request of FBI Director Robert Mueller in papers filed today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The Department of Justice also filed a motion to dismiss the case, because the litigation creates substantial risks of disclosing classified and sensitive national security information that could cause serious damage to our country’s security.

"The state secrets privilege is well-established in federal law. It has been recognized by U.S. courts as far back as the 19th century, and allows the Executive Branch to safeguard vital information regarding the nation’s security or diplomatic relations. In the past, this privilege has been applied many times to protect our nation’s secrets from disclosure, and to require dismissal of cases when other litigation mechanisms would be inadequate. It is an absolute privilege that renders the information unavailable in litigation."
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/10/doj101802.html

And how much of a risk is she, really, to the Powers that Be? The most play her story has got in the mainstream US press was in a piece in The Washington Post regarding, perversely, stories you won't read in the US press.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:13 AM
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33. Question.
How does this apply to disclosure outside of the court? Can she write a book? Can she talk to others and name names?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:19 AM
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34. She could write a book, but I imagine the FBI
could stop anyone from reading it. They did this to Special Agent Robert Wright, who's written a book about what he saw pre-9/11 regarding the agency vigorously hindering the investigation of terrorists.

And as much as she's told us in public, she's still prohibited from telling all she knows. Repeatedly in the interview she says she can't talk about certain matters.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:18 AM
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20. my advice to Sibel Edmonds . . .
do not, under any circumstances, go anywhere near small planes for the foreseeable future . . .
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:57 AM
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21. wow. that was awesome.
Lets hope that this independent, open, and very public hearing takes place.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:09 AM
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23. Saturday morning kick n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:36 AM
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26. Hmmm...
JH: We can have a little more faith in the average person despite what say. I just did an informal survey in southern Virginia in a factory of over a hundred people, and I asked, "Would you be surprised to learn that the Bush Administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks?" 100% responded, "No." So it's not like people are afraid to find out information. They go through life struggling, working eight hours a day at least. They don't believe anything the media or the government tells them any more. They are able to except the fact that Bush & Co was responsible for 9/11; and they don't care. They almost expect it.




Excellent transcript, except the specifics are so tantalizingly out of reach...
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:53 AM
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27. I you like the above article
Edited on Sat May-08-04 09:54 AM by slaveplanet
you'll also like this http://www.madcowprod.com/index51bb.html

for those that haven't already seen it...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:11 AM
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29. A good one. And some more:
Edited on Sat May-08-04 10:12 AM by Minstrel Boy
"Heroin, Al Qaeda and the Florida Flight School"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1294206

"Jeb Bush seized flight school records at 2 AM on September 12."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1328855

"Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, and 49 other things you may not know"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1433886

Reading Edmonds' words in the context of Hopsicker's exposure of the drug connection between Atta and the financiers of the Florida flight schools is very illuminating.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:24 AM
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30. It ...
boggles.the.mind :crazy:
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:26 AM
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31. My sentiments exactly
There's got to be some crossover connection...first thing I thought of when I read this new post.

when you posted the Hopsicker stuff midweek I don't think it got much attention.....keep it coming
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:42 AM
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32. Edmonds: "it boils down to a lot of money"
Edited on Sat May-08-04 10:44 AM by Minstrel Boy
For a glimpse of the big, sordid picture - the clandestine nexus of public officials, financiers, criminals and terrorists - reading up on BCCI is essential. Because the conspirators' money trail is most certainly not the stuff of tinfoil.

Lots of important material here:

"BCCI class action begins January 13th, London, UK"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=977792&mesg_id=977792&page=

"9/11: The BCCI Connection"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=658476

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:19 PM
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38. when BCCI trial started - many DU posts on Kerry's role investigating BCCI
and how he was blocked
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:45 AM
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35. Catch me up-as a relative newbie that is late to the party about LIHOP
or MIHOP.

Assuming that there is some kind of mafia/drug cartel/Saudi/Pakistan/CIA connection deal that Sibel Edwards is alluding to, and assuming that the people in the flight training schools were part of that....

And assuming that, since we really do NOT know for sure who was on those planes..

Who DID pilot those planes and crash them into the buildings? Some-bodies would have had to willingly go on suicide missions (at least one person per plane, even if the others were not clued in)

And if I understand the concept of LIHOP (or MIHOP), Bush knew and did nothing because they wanted some catastrophic event to push public-approved overthrows of other countries, and this was a pretext.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:13 PM
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36. Good question, and honestly,
we don't know the answer: "Who DID pilot those planes and crash them into the buildings?"

:shrug:
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:09 PM
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37. Globalhawk remote guidance system
Google it. IMO that was how the planes were guided. In March 2001 Fox did a show called the "Lone Gunman" that depicted that very scenario.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:27 PM
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39. Tapes made by air traffic controllers
immediately thereafter cut into tiny bits and pieces deposited in numerous trash cans... WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE HERE?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:31 PM
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40. I'd speculate the tapes had the pilots and hijackers talking
about how the aircraft was no longer under their control.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:11 AM
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47. Here is the FOX show that depicted the Globalhawk
scenario:

The FOX TV series The Lone Gunmen (X-Files spin off) airs their opening episode "Pilot" six months before 9/11 which depicts a secret U.S. government agency behind a plot to crash a Boeing 727 into the WTC via remote control and blame it on foreign terrorists in the hopes of generating a bigger military budget.
http://propagandamatrix.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_lonegumen.html
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:54 PM
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41. Hani Hanjour was such an awful pilot, in August 2001
an instructor refused him a Cessna. And yet we're expected to believe that a month later, Hanjour flew a commercial airliner at 500 miles per hour so aerobatically a flight controller believed she was following the path of an F-18, perform a 270 degree spiralling descent of 5,000 feet over Washington in a matter of seconds, going out of his way to hit the Navy side of the five-storey high Pentagon: the one side which was virtually empty and undergoing reconstruction, and the only side whose exterior wall had been hardened to withstand attack.

Raytheon, and Hani Hanjour's flight of fantasy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740

Also of interest:

"'bizarre coincidence': Cheney monitors 'crash simulation' morning of 9/11"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1298401
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:54 PM
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42. There have been other experienced pilots who
called the turns the WTC planes took nearly impossible, even with a crack pilot at the controls.

Then there were those odd bulges on the underbelly of the WTC attack planes.

I'll have to dig this info up.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:26 PM
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43. Tatyana Koryagina
Edited on Sat May-08-04 10:27 PM by Tinoire

Thanks for posting that!

====================================



The other day, I was listening to a tape made by Rick Wiles. His guest was a woman named Tatyana Koryagina. Mrs. Koryagina is a leading economist and major research fellow at the Institute of Macro Economics Research, which is under the Russian Ministry of Economic Development.

Dr. Koragina is a trusted advisor to Russia’s President, Vladamir Putin. She gained prominence by accurately predicting the collapse of the Russian economy in 1998.

Then…on July 12th 2001, she predicted the collapse of the American economy after an attack on the US. This is pretty scary as she predicted this to happen on August 19th…which…ironically was only a few weeks before the attack on the World Trade Center.

<snip>

She wouldn’t get much more specific but went on to say that these groups have realized that their slow growth movement has lost its appeal and is losing momentum. Her research showed that the American and world economies are going to literally explode and come to a total collapse very soon and they needed to do something to lay blame at some else’s doorstep. She then said something that really piqued my interest and alluded to some of the players. She said, “For instance, who is responsible for the loss of 5 trillion dollars of the American peoples money in securities, in a collapsed market? She also brought up the issue of massive insider trading just days before the WTC attack and went on to say that there are volumes of documentation available beyond the mountain of evidence in her possession. She said the trail would lead directly to the most prestigious and wealthiest people in the world therefore they needed something to preoccupy the suspicious. Also mentioned was the coming rollacoster ride in oil prices due to the Israeli and Palestinian conflict that will no doubt erupt soon. Her belief in the world economy collapse is based on the estimation of the world wealth, about 450 trillion dollars by most economists account,in securities, futures, etc…and the known outcome of the worlds markets is only thirty trillion. This vast gap cannot be concealed much longer.

<snip>

Dr. Koryagina said that it is inevitable that this can’t be concealed forvery much longer but by the time the public awakens to the facts, they will be naked in the streets. <snip>

<snip>
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/true_world_order_koryagnia.html

The original transcripts of her talks/interviews were posted on the old DU.
There's one here: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/duma/duma_koryagina.html

===

Pravda Wrote of Financial 'Attack' on U.S.

Consider the July 12, 2001, Page One report in Pravda – still considered the establishment voice of Russia's old guard communists who control the military and intelligence agencies.

The Pravda article was entitled "Will the Dollar and America Fall Down on August 19? That's the Opinion of Dr. Tatyana Koryagina, Who Very predicted the August Default in 1998."

This article struck me for several reasons. Major newspapers so closely aligned with the government do not attempt to create panic or fear in the public – unless the government wants this information to be publicly aired.

<snip>

This Pravda article was published about the same time as another strange event that took place in early July in the Russian State Duma.

The Duma held a conference entitled "On the measures to provide the development of Russian economy in the environment of destabilization of the world financial system."

<snip>

<snip> The main theme of the Duma hearings was the rapidly approaching economic crash of the United States.

The hearings focused on preparing recommendations for President Putin as to what Russia should to do to soften the consequences of this coming catastrophe.

Here is an excerpt:


    Pravda: All the participants at the hearings stated that America is a huge financial pyramid which will crash soon. Still, it is hard to understand how this could happen in the first and richest country of the world – without a war, without missile or bomb strikes?

    Koryagina: Besides bombs and missiles, there are other kinds of weaponry, much more destructive ones. ...

    Pravda: Well, economic theory. But how it is possible for you to give an exact date – August 19?

    Koryagina: The U.S. is engaged in a mortal economic game. The known history of civilization is merely the visible part of the iceberg. There is a shadow economy, shadow politics and also a shadow history, known to conspirologists. There are forces acting in the world, unstoppable for countries and even continents.

    <snip>

    Pravda: What should Russian citizens do?

    Koryagina: They should start changing their dollars for rubles. President Putin and the Russian Central Bank are already taking the necessary healthy measures. There are high chances that after 19 August the ruble will become a very good currency.

    Pravda: Why 19 August, say, and not the 21st?

    Koryagina: Some fluctuation in this date is possible. Serious forces are acting against THOSE WHO ARE NOW PREPARING THE ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES . August, with very high probability, will bring the financial catastrophe to the U.S. ... The last 10 days of August have especial importance from a religious-sensible point of view.

    <snip>

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/16/103951.shtml
    (Damn I hate quoting Newsmax but this information is fast disappearing from the net)



The Duma urged Russian citizens to cash out their dollars and switch to gold, even issued a gold coin right about that time.


"911- Government Prior Knowledge" http://www.indexoftheweb.com/911.htm
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:47 AM
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44. Kick!
:kick:
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:59 AM
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49. This deserves another kick
:kick:
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:17 AM
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45. If we are playing connect the dots here
I hope this interview is one more dot that helps complete the picture....
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:48 AM
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46. There are so many dots by now
that they've blackened the page.
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ethereal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:21 AM
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48. Buy Gold and Silver
while you still can.


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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:20 PM
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50. kick nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:01 PM
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51. Kick to the pants of the BFEE
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:28 PM
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52. Minstrel Boy: Oustanding Post Info
Edited on Sun May-09-04 05:30 PM by liarliartieonfire
Lets hope everyone who claims to read DU, sees this today.
Please keep this post available throughout the day.

Its time to send this out to the public via every avenue we can think of.

I realize its been floating out there for some time, but in honor of the efforts of Sibel Edmonds, (may God keep her safe) we should continue doing her work with her.
Its like everything else in this USA anymore. It takes demanding consistancy to turn a smoldering hot-spot into a raging fire across this nation.

She cannot do it alone anymore. It takes the grassroots forums to produce, en-mass.

These posts are all valuable..I am assured by the knowledge and determination expressed in DU, that this subject will not be allowed to be buried any longer.

Thanks Dem Underground. Use your voice while you still have it.
DU is a most Powerful Place!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:48 PM
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53. Though I've known Edmonds was a huge story, this is the first time
I've heard her talk about the implications of what she knows, the details of which she's been gagged by Ashcroft from sharing. And it's amazing how much it confirms other research. Hopsicker's work in Florida, for instance, that's laying bare a clandestine of intelligence/drug/terror network connecting Atta and the financiers of the flight schools. It's BCCI, old school.

When she says that, if the truth is revealed, some very prominent Americans are going to jail, she's not kidding.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:15 PM
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54. Wow!!!
:)

Go Sibel...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:43 PM
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55. Reading this again..
Edited on Sun May-09-04 06:44 PM by Tinoire
when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.

:bounce:

Thanks again Minstrel Boy. Did you post this in the 9-11 forum also? This is important information everyone should read!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:11 PM
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56. Kicked and bookmarked!
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 12:15 AM
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57. Anyone who hasn't read this post..MUST READ IT ..
The information in this post is so valuable.
Trust me, there will be a time when you will appreciate reading about it, here on DU.

Bookmark this, save it, copy and e-mail it to senators, congress, news-media, authors, or anyone else you can think of.

When this comes together, and it will, with our help, there will be hellfire to pay.
Thank you Sibel Edmonds and may God keep you safe!
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 12:33 PM
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60. kick -nt
Edited on Mon May-10-04 12:35 PM by lostnfound
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:40 AM
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58. kicked for the insomniac crowd....
:kick: Read. This. Article.
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:48 AM
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59. Gotta appreciate Sibel Edmonds..Courageous
A lot of this has been around for some time..The thing Sibel Edmonds does with it all, is point out the correlation of events, people and timelines.

This is chilling. We absolutely MUST inform ourselves and pass this latest info along the lines..
It needs to stay a priority.

There certainly are some people sqirming a bit becouse of this exposure.
Dots are being connected..the fan is on 'high speed'.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:15 PM
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61. Particularly interesting in light of fact that only 4 agents are tasked
with investigating funds to Bin Laden & Saddam; vs 20+ for funds to Cuba.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040429/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terrorism_financing
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:41 PM
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62. -
:kick:
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:42 PM
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63. I've heard about the ISL, too. They are responsible for 911--
and they are tied to Bush. He is complicit in the attack. Bush didn't just know--he made it happen.
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