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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:10 PM
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The "cult of intelligence", and ideologies of "the shadow government"
are behind the systemic murder, torture and abuse employed by some elements of the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President, imho and life experiences as an American citizen.

Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies once joked about "levitating the Pentagon" during a Viet Nam war demonstration.

Today, an exorcism would seem to be called for because of the entrenchment and influence of real cults within the National Security community, which are now being made evident to the world.

Law enforcement has often been prevented from making arrests for horrific crimes because of the intervention of "national security".
There are a lot of dead, discredited and silenced people (and their social networks) that have tried to bring criminals to justice historically, but have been blocked by unnamed government officials and agencies-the spooks.

That has got to stop, and these criminals must be prosecuted-regardless of their position or authority.

The influence of these nameless cultists was evident, imho, yesterday during the Senate hearing with Rumsfeld and the JCS when repeated questions about how MI, CIA and mercenaries gained authority over US military guards at Abu Ghraib went unanswered.

The extent of the corrupting influence of these cultist criminals goes far beyond "a few bad apples" at a US military prison. This is known to law enforcement, which must no longer be prevented from making arrests in prosecution of those investigations and cases effectively shut down by "national security".

There has certainly been "an intelligence failure" here when murderers, rapists, torturers, slavers and other criminals belonging to cults (with verified ties to US intelligence) are left to operate with impugnity.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.






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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:13 PM
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1. We don't have enough discussions about Bush's* Shadow Government...
...but I guess that's because it's veiled in secrecy and operated in the 'shadows'. But it's in operation right now and it makes one wonder just what they're doing and how much of our 'real' government has been replaced by them.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:35 PM
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2. A democracy is free and open, these folks have abused and exploited
Edited on Sat May-08-04 01:36 PM by bobthedrummer
that to promote their own into many key positions both in the public and private sectors.

I personally know of some of the history of illegal domestic political supression during President Nixon's administration when the Huston Plan was approved and things like Operation CHAOS (the use of all branches of government to neutralize black power and New Left movements) covered up many crimes against humanity right here in America.

Perhaps today is the right time to clean house, if not now-when???
There's a lot of work to do, that's for sure. But this national security shield doesn't just cover military and weapons research and development-it has covered up horror and crime for many years.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:58 PM
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4. didn't shrub say the other day, we've got nothing to hide...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:05 PM
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6. Begin with Poppy
The last time we got an officially sanctioned glimpse into the CIA underworld was during the Church Committee investigations. What came into view was odious enough to compel popular support for sweeping changes to curtail the free-ranging spooks. But Poppy got appointed DCI and the oh-so-convenient assassination of the Greek Station Chief soon followed. Suddenly, the debate shifted to the culpability of the investigation's exposure of sensitive secrets in his death. The public couldn't bear the notion that its misguided probing into the activities of those who toil to Keep Us Safe killed a selfless servant. All hope of reform died. Sound familiar? Support The Troops, anyone?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:46 PM
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3. agreed, bob
As bad as many here may believe the crimes of the National Security State, the truth is, perhaps, much darker. There is an occultic aspect to the "cult of intelligence."

Good places to start, for those with eyes to see:

"George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse"
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

"The Pedophocracy" (six parts)
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:42 PM
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5. Absolutely, Minstrel Boy. Take the example of Col. Michael Aquino of
the US Army and Defense Intelligence Agency as a primer on the darkside influence within the intelligence community. Btw, be advised that Col. Aquino has apologists and defenders among DUer's.

I'm not a fundamentalist Christian witchburner, I know the distinctions of pagan and Wiccan beliefs and practices, as well as some of the New Age stuff-I don't have any axes to grind with those that practice the Old Religion under the guarantee of our Constitution within the law.

It's one of the rights the founding fathers fought for, as well as the seperation of Church and State-which seems to be threatened by this administration imo.

Col. Aquino used that freedom openly as a former Church of Satan priest while on active duty to establish his own Temple of Set in 1975. He was one of the resources used in the illegal Operation CHAOS in 1969. Here are a few links to that individual and his Temple of Set, so that the average reader can understand a bit of what we are talking about.

Temple of Set Statement for the US Armed Forces (see Temple of Set)
http://www.nightspell.dhs.org/

Temple of Set history
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/tempset.html

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id163/pg1/

Critique of claims of Nazi influence and fascism in Temple of Set
http://www.necronomi.com/magic/satanism/fascist.set.txt

The Temple of Set and mob psychology
http://www.answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=205198

This is just one example of the abuse of national security.
I wonder what the neo-conservatives known as "the Vulcans" are all about.

When you see US military torturing, raping, abusing and being present during murder of Iraqi prisoners under the authority of MI, CIA and mercenaries you need to understand where they might have got their criminal commands from-the same environment that Col. Aquino was part of imo.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:26 PM
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7. FORT HUACHUCA, Ariz. (Army News Service, Feb. 24, 2003
Edited on Sat May-08-04 03:30 PM by seemslikeadream
bob look at this



After briefing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on the limited training the intel soldiers had to obtain critical information from Al Qaeda, the Intelligence Center devised a new course to help support the global war on terrorism.

"We're working with new doctrine everyday," Guin said. "We're basically writing our own doctrine on how to do this type of business. A lot of the things we do have never been done before and we're discovering new and better ways to improve the instruction here at the school house for the soldiers who are eventually going to go out and fight this global war on terrorism."

With so much information being taught in a short span, the focus is to get the soldiers ready to go so when they hit Guantanamo, the learning curve will be dramatically decreased. Slavin pointed out two main goals needed to accomplish the mission and keep the learning curve down.

"First, they have to work as teams," Slavin said. "The analysts must support the interrogators. Normally the analysts support the commander, but now they're supporting an interrogator so he can go off and ask the right questions."

He added intel soldiers have done this type of teamwork approach before, but it's specific for Guantanamo because it needed to be reinforced.

"Secondly, for all the analytical work that has to be done, it takes an analyst with a different mindset to go after and find different data," he said. "And for the interrogator, different kinds of approaches are needed for these folks."

As far the future of the course, Slavin said the course will be more global oriented because, "the threat is not just in Afghanistan, it's also in the Philippines and the Middle East."

Also, much of the training in the course will be incorporated in the Warrant Officer Course, Officer Basic Course and other military intelligence specialty courses, officials said. The next ISCT is scheduled for July and will be five weeks long.

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/18207.php

Slavin mentioned the three-week course is based upon some shortcomings Custer identified at the camp holding Al Qaeda detainees.

Custer is that Custer Battles? ya think
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:28 PM
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8. It's easy to ridicule, and comforting to ignore.
A Satanic, pedophilic, sanctioned element to the National Security State? Well, sorry; but yeah.

For those who missed this:

"From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory" is a military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, "to various governmental offices, agencies, commands and publications involved or interested in PSYOP." I think it bears a close read now, because it describes a top-down psychological conditioning Americans may find familiar. And it's not insignificant to note that co-author Vallely is now senior military analyst for FOX News.

Who is Aquino? A since-retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Intelligence, and special-forces officer. Also, for many years, an avowed Satanist, and founder of the "Temple of Set." Aquino's name frequently appears in ritual child abuse cases which appear to have military-intelligence sanction or protection - the Franklin and Presidio scandals, for instance (A good introduction to Aquino and this subject is "Uncle Sam Wants Your Children": http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo3.html - part three of "The Pedophocracy," which begins here: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html ). Aquino has never been convicted, so is either innocent or well protected.

And who is Vallely? "The senior military analyst for FOX News Channel and guest on many nationally syndicated radio talk shows, Paul E. Vallely retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as Deputy Commanding General, U.S. Army, and Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii."
http://www.kepplerassociates.com/speakers/vallelypaul.asp?1

Aquino has said that "assorted cranks tried to make a public issue out of this paper just because of its catchy title.... That paper had no connection to MK-Ultra, nor Paperclip, nor any crazy Nazi experiments."

Even if one believes Aquino, and dismisses suggestion that he is part of covert-sanctioned research into occult mind control (another CIA interest inherited from the Nazi doctors rescued by Project Paperclip), the implications of "Mindwar" are fairly chilling. And rather familiar, I should think, to anyone living through the Bush years.

Here's a .pdf of "From Psyop to Mindwar" which Aquino has posted, with a new introduction, on his "Temple of Set" website:
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/MindWar.pdf

Some excerpts:


"MindWar...is, in fact, the strategy to which tactical warfare must conform if it is to achieve maximum effectiveness. The MindWar scenario must be preeminent in the mind of the commander and must be the principal factor in his every field decision. Otherwise he sacrifices measures which actually contribute to winning the war to measures of immediate, tangible satisfaction. (Consider the rational for 'body counts' in Vietnam).

...

"In its strategic context, MindWar must reach out to friends, enemies, and neutrals alike across the globe -- neither through primitive "battlefield" leaflets and loudspeakers of PSYOP nor through the weak, imprecise, and narrow effort of psychotronics - but through the media possessed by the United States which have the capabilities to reach virtually all people on the face of the Earth. These media are, of course, the electronic media -- television and radio. State of the art developments in satellite communication, video recording techniques, and laser and optical transmission of broadcasts made possible a penetration of the minds of the worlds such as would have been inconceivable just a few years ago. Like the sword Excalibur, we have but to reach out and seize this tool; and it can transform the world for us if we have the courage and the integrity to civilization with it. If we do not accept Excalibur, then we relinquish our ability to inspire foreign cultures with our morality. If they then desire moralities unsatisfactory to us, we have no choice but to fight them on a more brutish level.

...

"Unlike PSYOP, MindWar has nothing to do with deception or even with 'selected' -- and therefore misleading -- truth. Rather it states a whole truth that, if it does not now exist, will be forced into existence by the will of the United States. The examples of Kennedy's ultimatum to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Hitler's stance at Munich might be cited. A MindWar message does not have to fit conditions of abstract credibility as do PSYOP there; its source makes it credible. As Livy once said: 'The terror of the Roman name will be such that the world shall know that, once a Roman army had laid siege to a city, nothing will move it -- not the rigors or winter nor the weariness of months and years -- that it knows no end but victory and is ready, in a swift and sudden stroke will not serve, to preserve until that victory is achieved.'

...

"For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means. There is no need to resort to mind-weakening drugs such as those explored by the CIA; in fact the exposure of a single such method would do unacceptable damage to MindWar's reputation for truth. Existing PSYOP identifies purely-sociological factors which suggest appropriate idioms for messages. Doctrine in this area is highly developed, and the task is basically one of assembling and maintaining individuals and teams with enough expertise and experience to apply the doctrine effectively. This, however, is only the sociological dimension of target receptiveness measures. There are some purely natural conditions under which minds may become more or less receptive to ideas, and MindWar should take full advantage of such phenomena as atmospheric electromagnetic activity (12), air ionization (13), and extremely low frequency waves (14).
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:07 PM
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9. In reality this DOES have connections to MKULTRA, PAPERCLIP.
and "crazy Nazi experiments" and these national security subjects conceal many crimes.

I find it interesting that the MindWar article references a lot of previously "tin foil" subjects and stresses how the "will" of the US can be asserted-what US does he represent???

It sounds like something from PNAC to me.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:40 PM
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10. Who Let the Dogs Out?
Just to remind everyone, Vice-President Dick Cheney defended CIA Director George Tenet after Hersh broke the Abu Ghoryab scandal, and said that Tenet had Bush's "full confidence." This is important to note, for it establishes the chain of command, which leads from Bush, through Cheney, through Tenet, to the CIA people who did hire Messrs. Stephanowicz and Israel; and even more to the point, it illustrates how policies made by Bush and company flow through the corporate media to the public, and become directly responsible for the kidnapping, illegal detention, torture, rape and murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraqi.


Again, Hersh is careful in what he doesn't say. For example, former CIA Director (and unofficial "black propaganda" minister) R. James Woolsey was, in 1985, one of seven directors of the Titan Corporation. In 2002, Titan employed Adel Nakhla, who was assigned by Titan as a civilian translator to the 205th MI Brigade. Notably, Nakhla is named as a "suspect" in the Taguba Report, which Seymour Hersh analyzed and then presented to the public in an article for The New Yorker, even before the Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff had, by his own account, had a chance to read it.

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine05082004.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:53 PM
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11. Torture as Normalcy
As part of its larger MK-ULTRA project the CIA gave money to Dr. Ewen Cameron, at McGill University. Cameron was a pioneer in the sensory-deprivation techniques. Cameron once locked up a woman in a small white box for thirty-five days, deprived of light, smell and sound. The CIA doctors were amazed at this dose, knowing that their own experiments with a sensory-deprivation tank in 1955 had induced severe psychological reactions in less than forty hours. Start torturing, and it's easy to get carried away.

Torture destroys the tortured and corrupts the society that sanctions it. Just like the FBI after 9/11/01 the CIA in 1968 got frustrated by its inability to break suspected leaders of Vietnam's National Liberation Front by its usual methods of interrogation and torture. So the agency began more advanced experiments, in one of which it anesthetized three prisoners, opened their skulls and planted electrodes in their brains. They were revived, put in a room and given knives. The CIA psychologists then activated the electrodes, hoping the prisoners would attack one another. They didn't. The electrodes were removed, the prisoners shot and their bodies burned. You can read about it in our book, Whiteout.
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05082004.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:03 PM
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12. A kick for the unknown number of victims of National Security
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:21 AM
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13. Did you know that Richard McGarrah Helms was another CIA Director
Edited on Sun May-09-04 12:22 AM by bobthedrummer
(like G.H.W.Bush/Prescott) whose family had close associations with the Third Reich?

Gates McGarrah (Helms maternal grandfather) was the first president of the Bank for International Settlements/BIS.

BIS was created in 1930 by the world's central banks, including the Federal Reserve.

BIS was mostly the product and inspiration of Hjalmar Schacht, who became Nazi Minister of Economics.

Richard McGarrah Helms came to public notice as a young UPI reporter that did a world exclusive interview with Adolph Hitler in 1936.

Richard McGarrah Helms, as a newspaper executive, was recruited by William Donovan of OSS.

After WWII but prior to the foundation of the National Security community, many Nazis were given identities and jobs as Americans in national security work.

Richard McGarrah Helms was the driving force behind US mind control "research". His final days at the CIA were spent destroying documentation of MKULTRA and other crimes, but he missed some files.

In August 2002 a Federal Court ruled to allow an investigative reporter access to CIA MKULTRA operational files.
http://www.rcfp.org/news/2002/0819kellyv.html

The NSA acknowleged mind control as a matter of national security in a reply to human rights activist Cheryl Welsh's FOIA request.


President Clinton made public apologies for US non-consensual human experimentation and opened an office for radiation experimentation subjects, many of them US military. Much of this experimentation involved PAPERCLIP Nazi medical professionals and the use of Nazi research that was performed on slaves.

President Clinton's DoJ pursued Nazis in the US.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/holtzman.html

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/maloney.html

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 11:48 PM
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14. A kick for law enforcement busting up corruption-and for the fallen law
officers that have been betrayed by criminals in our shadow government.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:25 AM
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15. A kick for all the families and loved ones of all the victims of "National
Security".

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 12:40 PM
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16. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:02 AM
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17. A kick for all the child victims of National Security
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:05 AM
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18. The king is above the law
And these people are using the divine right of kings as the basis
for government like so many feudal cults before them.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:16 AM
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19. You know, sweetheart, I never thought I'd ever see a worse President
than Nixon, but I was wrong. What is it with the Republicans that we end up with extreme RW running amok? These people are criminals known to law enforcement worldwide. But they've walked away from things like The Presidio molestion case.

I wonder how many DUer's have similar accounts to tell of government cover-ups citing "national security" of horrible crimes?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:24 AM
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20. I thought *WE* learned from nixon's crimes
But it appears only educated america has. It shows what has happened
by exosing the population to mass brainwashing via television... we
are experimenting with our whole culture by proliferating such
distorting propaganda.... and it is wholly destructive to democracy,
that i can't help but think that the television watchers of today
and the entire culture will not wind up along side
the donosaurs in the tar pits.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:56 AM
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21. At the end Nixon was drunk and stoned out of his mind having conversations
with various portraits of US historical figures. Nixon was tough but he had the sense to listen to those that told him to step down-this criminal crew in BFEE is worse.

But they've already failed as the world can plainly see and their criminal actions have harmed the US and put Americans at risk-THANKS FUCKERS!

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:05 AM
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22. *cabal has broken many.
and must be held to account by the American citizenry.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:19 AM
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23. That's our Constitution and our laws-no one can claim "national security"
to cover crimes anymore-it's time to let law enforcement do it's job regardless of position or authority or we will become totalitarian imo.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:46 AM
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24. Did you say constitution?
Its just paper after all. The bill of rights is already completely
undermined in all but obscure interpretations. Human rights, prison
populations without rights, races without rights, and a socity that
keeps 1/3rd of its children in avoidable poverty with 40m without
global standards of healthcare provided in any normal first world
country to call itself civilized.

Oh yea, that slavery constitution, written by slavers to have a
permanent slave state, that even today endangers us with its obsfiscation.

If we are to overthrow the thing for a king, then at least lets
elect a good one. I guess that's the kerry voter thinking. Myself
i'm for no kings... and a democratic republic of no wars, equality
and self determinatio for all peoples like women and geez, things that kings can't stand.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:53 PM
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25. Does anyone else but me know of crimes committed in the US
that were covered up by the intervention of individuals or agencies claiming to represent "national security"?

Any military, law enforcement, or legal DUer's have personal experiences along those lines? I'd like to discuss them openly.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:32 PM
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26. A kick for all that were "suicided" in the name of national security
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:10 PM
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27. A kick for those enslaved by "national security"
Edited on Tue May-11-04 03:10 PM by bobthedrummer
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:02 PM
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28. Mercenaries/"contractors" employed by the administration of George W.
Bush aka The War President are big political contributors. DYN CORP., VINNELL, SAIC, TITAN, MPRI, HALLIBURTON, AIR SCAN, CACI, DEFENSE SERVICES LTD., SANDLINE INTERNATIONAL, OMEGA TRAINING GROUP, EAGLE GROUP, LIFEGUARD/SARACEN(FORMER EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES)
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=contrib

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:37 PM
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29. A kick for all the humans sacrificed for "national security"
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:34 PM
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30. A kick for all the non-consensual human research subjects of "national
security".

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:08 PM
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31. Time to empty the bowels of national security, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
Edited on Wed May-12-04 12:09 PM by bobthedrummer
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