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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:17 PM
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Rumsfeld Unable To Make Torture Scandal Vanish...


He actually had the audacity to try to quibble over the word "torture". Wonder what he will call his new "digs"...



New Quarters Await Bush Team.

From the Sludge Report: http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:20 PM
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1. By the sounds of it, he was more upset
that the pictures somehow found their way into the media, rather than the acts of torture itself.
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Veggie Meathead Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:25 PM
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2. The power of these torture images from Abu Ghraib to evoke
outrage is proof why the Bush Administration forbids any TV images of
the dead soldiers coffins being brought back home and also why he avoids being photographed at soldiers' funerals or at hospital wards with wounded soldiers.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:25 PM
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3. exactly...n/t
x
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:27 PM
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4. That was my impression...
...I Rumsfeld's mind somehow those pictures got out and I'm really sorry they did.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:56 PM
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8. I got the same message, and especially from his body language ...
he seemed nearly dispassionate and detached when he read his "apology" but became QUITE animated when commenting on the media releases -- a clear loss of "command and control" that usually typifies the secrecy and manipulation of all information to the American people ...
wonder what the "Mayberry Macchiavellians" will do now ...

well, they haven't fooled our friends across the ocean ...

Europeans Like Bush Even Less Than Before
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/09/international/europe/09euro.html?pagewanted=2

<snip>
In poll after poll, Europeans have shown themselves to be fervently anti-Bush. In Britain, America's staunchest ally in the war in Iraq, a poll of 1,007 people taken last month for The Times of London by the British polling company Populus found support for Senator John Kerry over President Bush by a margin of 56 to 22 percent.

From America, a poll of people in nine nations conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press in March found that opinion of the president and, by extension, the United States, had plummeted across Europe since Mr. Bush took office.

In France, the poll found, the president had an 85 percent negative rating; in Britain, 57 percent; in Germany 85 percent; and in Russia, 60 percent.
<snip>
In an editorial in March, the left-leaning British newspaper The Guardian put it more starkly. "Senator Kerry carries the hopes not just of millions of Americans but of millions of British well-wishers, not to mention those of nations throughout Europe and the world," the newspaper wrote. "Nothing in world politics would make more difference to the rest of us than a change in the White House."
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:28 PM
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5. I have just written
to my congressman to demand the impeachment of Bush and his cabinet for the war crimes committed under their watch, and that they should be turned over to the Hague to be tried. If Saddam can be tried for the torture committed in his prisons, our leaders should be similarly held accountable.

Human rights organizations such as the International Red Cross have been advising the administration of the torture going on in the "detention" holding prisons for months and have had no response. This show complicity in the crimes.

Please contact your representatives and call for impeachment and trial.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:37 PM
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6. Right ON!
Edited on Sat May-08-04 02:40 PM by indigobusiness


http://www.cafeshops.com/indigobusiness

Get Your Impeach Bush Gear Here
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ant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:47 PM
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7. someone should remind him
Edited on Sat May-08-04 02:49 PM by ant
"The Geneva Convention indicates that it's not permitted to photograph and embarrass or humiliate prisoners of war"
-Rumsfeld, March 23, 2003, Face The Nation
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/23/ftn/main545616.shtml

I'm fairly certain it doesn't permit rape and murder, either.

I'm trying to collect quotes from Rumsfeld and Bush regarding the Geneva Convention and international law, specifically stuff related to how U.S. prisoners were not covered by it. I think it's important to show how the admin created an atmosphere that not only allowed but implicitly encouraged this.


edited for new and improved grammar
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:38 PM
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9. Interesting that you bring that up,
I was listening to Randi Rhodes on Air America yesterday. She was playing Rummy live testimony before Congress yesterday. Someone asked him about the GIs and who was supervising them in the prison. Rummy hedged and tried to wiggle, and McCain asked him again. "This is a simple question, who was in charge of the GI's?"

Then, Rummy started to quote from the Geneva Convention. He said that all the staff had to comply with the convention, and they need to follow established guidelines, etc etc etc ad nauseum.

She and Tim were screeching with laughter, because Rummy said the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to us, and he was refusing to answer McCain's questions. Interesting.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:40 PM
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10. I hope it haunts the son of a bitch every second of his sorry....
Edited on Sat May-08-04 03:45 PM by Hubert Flottz
fucking life, until the devil takes him in!

EDIT} I wonder what George Patton would think of the AWOL CIC and the scumbags in charge of the DOD?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:59 PM
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11. He admitted to "worse" pix.
Bringumon!!!!!
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