"The photographs do not reflect our values"

[ScreamingMeemie]

Now let's think about this. They don't reflect Bushco's values and yet there sits Mr Rumsfield in the same old chair he sat in last week. There sits Lynndie at a desk job at Fort Bragg. Hmmmm...I think that's saying a whole hell of a lot about this administration's values.

:puke:

[Rageneau]

1. The abuse was the work of a mere half-dozen Americans...

whose names are Bush, Rumsfield, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, and Rice.

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. The very ones taking the moral high ground of disgust...

It makes me sick.

[jus_the_facts]

2. These are the VALUES they condone and surely practice.....

.....'THE PASSION' was their trainin' film...it's their CORE values at a glance...."spare the rod spoil the...child...or freedom fighters...or slaves...<enter minority of choice>...it's always been THE WAY"!!!! :evilfrown:

[ScreamingMeemie]

11. I could not have said it better.

Why change is the though du jour.

[jus_the_facts]

13. these people were HAND PICKED.....

.....for these positions....they were TRAINED right here in OUR OWN PRISON SYSTEM and sent over there to DO THEIR DUTY! :evilfrown:

[mike_c]

3. look at the history of American foreign policy "on the ground..."

...for the last 50 years. The Abu Ghraib photos do in fact represent our values-- just without the usual smug veneer of arrogance and manifest destiny. Abu Ghraib is a glimpse behind the curtain.

on edit: How long do you think it will take for the central military lesson to be learned by Abu Ghraib-- keep the cameras off-- will make its way into the curriculum at the School of the Americas (WISC)?

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. Sadly, it's probably a well worn tape by now.

:(

[nostamj]

5. 'Bushites set tone that led to torture'

posted this in a thread that died instantly....

p.s. MrsG... check your PMs...


The tone for this new gloves-off era was set by the White House itself, which has openly scorned the notion that prisoners in its "war on terror" have any rights. The whole purpose of building a special prison camp at Guantanamo Bay was clearly to put detainees beyond the reach of U.S. law.

Of course, the Geneva Conventions should have applied there; but the Bush administration simply announced that the detainees were "unlawful combatants" — a newly defined category of human being arbitrarily stripped of all legal rights by a country that, paradoxically, continued to bill itself as the world's leading democracy.

What possible reason would there be to hold prisoners in a law-free, offshore enclave except to do things to them that the law doesn't permit — including perhaps to "soften them up" before interrogations, to apply the very gloves-off treatment that Black set out to members of Congress as the new normal.

There was plenty of international outrage over this stance but, to a large extent, the U.S. media and intellectual community accepted it.


http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=16098

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. Checked! It is disgusting to me the twisted wordage this administration

has used to flaunt its arrogance in the face of world opinion. Guantanamo Bay...I wonder when we'll see pictures of the "humane" treatment of prisoners there. :(

[Jacobin]

6. Then, what does?

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. I shudder to think...

I couldn't possibly imagine what twisted logic must go on among those men.

[Beloved Citizen]

7. It is all so completely believeable...

...especially when you consider that it is coming from the fellow who holds the record for most executions by a U.S. governor.

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. I wonder if he has perfected his Iraqi prisoner impersonation yet.

:puke:

[Texican]

14. Does Reflect

If you go to sites like AR15 you will find a great deal of support for torture. They have been pushing it for a long time, not just now.

[Karenina]

15. School of the Americas

The Ivy League of Torture U.s