Q: Mr. Secretary, you said, that for the most part, the detainees will be treated in a manner consistent with the Geneva Convention. Exactly which parts, which rights, privileges of the Geneva Convention will they have, and who will decide, and when will it be decided on an ad hoc basis? And just as a follow-up, can you say if there's been any --
Rumsfeld: Well, let me work on that one for a minute. That's a mouthful.
What we've said from the beginning is that these are unlawful combatants in our view, and we're detaining them. We call them detainees, not prisoners of war. We call them detainees. We have said that, you know, being the kind of a country we are, it's our intention to recognize that there are certain standards that are generally appropriate for treating people who were -- are prisoners are war, which these people are not, and -- in our view -- but there -- and, you know, to the extent that it's reasonable, we will end up using roughly that standard. And that's what we're doing. I don't -- I wouldn't want to say that I know in any instance where we would deviate from that or where we might exceed it. But I'm sure we'll probably be on both sides of it modestly.
Q:For instance, will we be allowed to see a list of exactly who the detainees are?
Rumsfeld: I don't know. I've got -- there are a bunch of lawyers who are looking at all these treaties and conventions and everything, trying to figure out what's appropriate. The only thing, I did notice that you can't take pictures of them. That's considered embarrassing for them, and they can't be interviewed, according to the Geneva Convention.
Myers: Let me add a couple --
Rumsfeld: Yeah, sure.
Myers: Let me just add a couple of things to that. We've got to remember that these are very, very dangerous people. And, as I think Charlie, you asked the first question about, well, why were they shackled? I mean, these are--
"]Q: I'm just passing on the -- (off mike.)
Myers:Well, I'm not.
Rumsfeld: (Laughs.)
Myers: Charlie, I'm coming right back to you. I said you asked the question; I didn't say anything else. (Laughter.)
But if you remember the situation in Mazar --
Rumsfeld: A little sensitive!
Did you notice how sensitive Charlie is? (Laughs; laughter.) Do you want to stand up and give your full name and your organization? (Laughs; laughter.)
Myers: But if you remember the situation in Mazar, where the start of the rebellion was one of them that had explosives, a grenade or something, and killed himself, and it sort of started. I mean, these are people that would gnaw hydraulic lines in the back of a C-17 to bring it down. I mean, so this is -- these are very, very dangerous people, and that's how they're being treated.
At the same time, let me give you a little context on how they're going to be handled when they hit the -- Guantanamo Bay. The meals they're going to be served are going to be culturally appropriate for them. And so, I mean, we're going to try to do our best to treat them humanely, at the same time realizing that they're very, very dangerous people.