I am becoming comfortable with another * term

[Doctor_J]

I just saw a CNBC crawl that said that Smirk is killing JFK in the swing states. Laurence O'Donnell, an alleged Dem (tho he works for MSRNC), said today on The Factor that he doesn't really see any scandalous behavior by the admin. Kerry refuses to call out Bush for all his lies, incompetence, and sleaze, and we just don't have the 24/7 infrastructure to keep it all on the radar. Bush was quoted in one of the Moonie rags as saying he wants to destroy our party (quick question for * - you said you wanted bipartisanship. Were you lying then or are you lying now?). We're never going to find out the truth about 9/11, anthrax, WMD, or anything else that's gone wrong since 1/20/01.

This is going to get really, really bad by late 06 or 07. At that point, even Rushseanlauraggordonolliedrlauratweetyscarboroughnovakweiner aren't going to be able to spn away the truth. Then we'll be able to begin the long climb back to when we were the greatest nation ever.

Grab those lemons and let's make some lemonade.

[BigDaddyLove]

1. Uh.......

Four more years of Bush could sorta fuck this country up pretty bad, so I'd have to disagree with you on this one.

[Doctor_J]

6. unfortunately

we're going to have to hit bottom before we start back up. * is beating Kerry on security. How can you explain that the man who let the country be attacked, whose policies have sparked wars and terrorism around the globe, who has put our economy in grave danger because of his ridiculous spending, is thought to make the country safe???

No, once we've collapsed, only then will enough people realize that their radio lies to them, and start to pursue the truth.

[BigDaddyLove]

8. Honestly, I just don't see anyone who voted for Gore.........

in 2000 voting for Bush in 2004, in fact I'd guess that quite a few people who went Bush will now run screaming away from him in November.

Where do you think he'll garner enough votes to win from? There are only so many Evangelicals and hard-core Republicans in America.

I just don't see how it's possible, but I do understand your point of view.

[Blue_Roses]

13. I don't trust Lawrence O'Donnell

hell, Dick Morris worked for Clinton and look at him...

NO, I don't believe this at all. I see a tide changing and it's a serious one. There will be more to add to Bush's not-so-shiny resume' in the upcoming months...just wait...

Karma has a way of balancing the scales. I've always been told what goes around DOES come back around, usually 10 fold.

[Bread and Circus]

14. We have potentially hit bottom, how much more bottomer do

we have to hit?

[Doctor_J]

17. well, many in this thread say something

along the lines of "4 more years of Smirk will KILL this country". Use your imagination about what this might mean, and there's your answer.

[democratreformed]

22. Right on, familydoctor.... I don't know how much more we can take.

[Gloria]

2. Doug Sosnik, Dem strategist, is giving his take on the cycles of

elections and what he thinks is going on now....

A repeat on CPSAN1, on right NOW

[gulfcoastliberal]

10. Ewwww DLC

I appreciate the head's up but ya shoulda warned about that big DLC banner and podium sign.

[redwitch]

3. NO NO NO

4 more years of this will KILL this country.

[Deja Q]

7. We're already dead. Or, rather, dying...

Another 4 years just might make people want to die more quickly, that's all.

[happynewyear]

9. 4 more years will create a mass exodus

People will leave America and never come back. They'll take their possessions with them too.

I seriously hope that it does not come to this! :grr:

U.S. OUT OF IRAQ!

[Doctor_J]

12. nonsense

nothing will kill this country. But until all of the tumors (BFEE, hate radio, Halliburton, cable "news", media conglomerates, KB&R, Enron, Tom Delay, etc.) are identified as such and dealt with, we can't start healing.

[seattlesteph]

4. Wow. You need to chill.

Go out for a walk and remember how far we've come already.

First, we might have had Dean as a nominee. I don't deride his campaign, his values or the passion he brought. I'm just still skeptical about his chances to win nationwide, appealing to a swath of voters across the political spectrum.

Second, we were at a HUGE funding disadvantage. We were facing a Dem primary with 9 (10 at one point briefly) contenders, and Bush and Company were having a grand time with "divide and conquer". But we pulled it together and raised a shitload of money.

Third, this isn't any ordinary election year. And I do think we expect perfection from Kerry. But remember uncommitted voters decide at the last minute, so I'm relieved we have a good closer.

Fourth, slowly the media is becoming more aggressive towards this administration. It's taken too long and has cost us too much, but at least it's happening now instead of February 2005.

Fifth, we may get Wes Clark on the VP ticket. I love that man, worked my butt off for him, and think he's a definite viability.

Try not to be too disheartened. Think of the bravery of people risking their careers, their reputations, and quite possibly their lives to speak out against this administration.

If they're not rolling over, neither should we.

[DemosthenesOfTheWest]

40. Excellent pep talk.

Keep it up!

[CubsFan1982]

5. You're paying too much attention

to the media whores. Have you seen this? http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html

[iamjoy]

11. Sigh

It will take at least 50 years for this nation to recover from another Bush term.

Once the Supreme Court is stacked, we will no longer have separation of Church and State. All children going to school will pray to Jesus (doesn't matter if they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, you get the idea).

The press will no longer be able to publish anything that reflects negatively on our armed forces as that could prevent the military from doing its job effectively

The legal maneuvering to obtain search warrants is too cumbersome in this day and age of terrorism and organized crime, a valid search warrant will no longer be needed for the police/military/etc to come into your home or listen to your phone calls.

In many circumstances, the right to trial by jury will not apply. Forced confessions will be admissible.

Not everyone gets the right to an attorney.

If you think this is just gloom and doom, it is already starting. If you want an idea of where it will end, I encourage you to read "The Handmaid's Tale." In Margaret Atwood's novel there was some sort of military type coup in the U.S. If Bush gets a second term, we will be well on our way to a Republic of Gilead right here in the U.S.

[Doctor_J]

16. And???

if Kerry gets elected, the congress will hold up his nominations, force him to spend money and raid SS, spend four years spreading rumors and lies about his personal life, insult his family, and generally prevent him from undoing the damage he inherits. Then, they will successfully blame him for not being able to undo *'s mess. Jeb will take office in 2009, and THEN the courts will be packed with rightwing religious nuts who will negate the Constitution. I say we get to the bottom as quickly as possible, and from there start the reclamation.

[iamjoy]

18. Not Necessarily

Kerry can use the recess appointment just like Bush has.
And Clinton did get Ginsburg and Breyer on the Supreme Court, even if he had less luck with other judicial vacancies.

How did things get so bad in this country and how is Canada nowadays?

[Wapsie B]

21. I agree with part of what you say.

The part about neutralizing Kerry for 4 years, giving him the Carter/Clinton treatment is spot on. The repugs will thwart Kerry's every move and set up Jethro for '08. They'll leave him with a ticking time bomb that is the ME having pissed off so many others in the world.

But all is for naught if we can capture the House. If chimpy were to get in again and we got control of the House, the "I" word would be in play big time.

[F.Gordon]

15. Welcome to the 60% Apathy Club

Have a seat.....relax....get "comfortable"

:shrug:

[alcuno]

19. Here's a thought. Let's have people vote (or at least try.)

I am not particularily comfortable with another * term. As for CNBC, I heard that Kerry holds a slight lead in the Battleground States. More CNBC misinformation, like BUY ENRON?

[Doctor_J]

24. I intend to vote

and to encourage others to do so. Even if Kerry is leading only slightly, that's still bad considering how bad things are.

[alcuno]

29. 35% of the electorate will vote for him no matter what.

Whether he bombs Canada or has sex on the WH lawn, they will vote for him.

[spanone]

20. SIX MONTHS TO GO........C'MON QUITTING IS BULLSHIT

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. Let's kick the quitters to the curb and press on.

[Nlighten1]

23. Damned Skippy.

I said this same thing about a second Bush term. We cannot just let Bush slide out of office. If he does he will have literally gotten away with murder(s). And since the wimpy Democrats don't have the spine to go after him maybe he should stay in place until America can no longer believe the lies spewing from CNN etc.

Yes, it will fuck America up but we will rebuild, and without the Bush clan.

[democratreformed]

25. ALARM

Then, why is Arkansas currently TIED????

[nostamj]

27. suggestion:

have your head examined...

or removed.

things are ALREADY really really bad and I don't trust my nieces or nephews lives with 4 more years of the worst president in american history.

[Oddman]

28. Don't worry

the shrub will not be re-elected . . . This scandal will be far reaching and far more destructive than we know . . . bush is a complete and consumate failure and he is toast . . .


As President Bush put it, they are an exceptional "few bad apples" whose actions "do not reflect the nature of our country."

[immoderate]

30. I heard Zogby all but proclaim Kerry the winner tonight

I think it was on Lou Dobbs.

I'm not comfortable with Bush for another term, but I am optimistic. I feel that Bush has nothing left to show, and Kerry has hardly started. I don't think Kerry should move too fast. Let Bush rope-a-dope for a while.

Kerry will get a bounce from picking a vp, and the convention. (And when Nader quits and endorse him. OK, maybe not, but it's possible.)

Bush is most likely to go down from here, unless he solves the economy and Iraq. This is very unlikely. (If he does, maybe he should be re-selected, but he won't.) Figure at least one more Bush disaster, I dunno, maybe environment, foreign policy, he will screw up something.

We can be somewhat confident, as long as we are not complacent.

--IMM

[West Coast Democrat]

31. No one actually watches CNBC...

and if Bush is losing to Kerry on every other issue, I wouldn't be so concerned about National Security.

[Doctor_J]

32. you wouldn't?

fer chrissakes, the man's been a DISASTER on national security. If the GOP media machine can spin THAT issue in his favor, their power is limitless.

[West Coast Democrat]

34. People try to give him the benefit of the doubt while at war....

but for a President at war, he has historically low approval numbers.

[West Coast Democrat]

33. Another thing.....

we have supposedly gained 200,000 + jobs last month, yet Bush's approval rating in Gallup (the GOP poll) plunged from 49 down to 46%, plus Consumer Confidence is falling

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11611

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- Last Friday's job report suggests that new hiring is finally beginning to happen in the U.S. economy, with the addition of 600,000 new jobs over the past two months. Add in the fact that the economy continued to expand at a 4% annual rate during the first quarter, and one might reasonably assume that consumers have good cause to be increasingly optimistic about the economic outlook.

New Gallup Poll economic data, however, show just the opposite. In early May, more consumers rate current economic conditions as "poor" than at any time this year. Even more surprisingly, half the public thinks the economy is "getting worse" as opposed to "getting better" -- nearly twice the number who held that view in January. Combined, these two key findings suggest that consumer confidence is now at its lowest point of the year.

Why is consumer confidence declining just when the economic expansion finally seems to be building some positive momentum? Part of the explanation may involve growing consumer concerns about increasing prices and higher interest rates. Another part lies in the way higher-income consumers remain much more optimistic about the economy and its future prospects than do their middle- and lower-income counterparts.

Inflation Expectations Increase in May

Two in three Americans tell Gallup they expect inflation to increase over the next six months. This is up eight percentage points from April and is the highest percentage of the public expecting prices to go up since Gallup began measuring inflation expectations in October 2001.

[MrSlayer]

35. There may not be a country to climb back to if he gets 4 more.

Our whole way of life may be destroyed.

[John_H]

36. LOL! The more toasty chimp gets, the more wacky some people get

[Redleg]

37. Kerry hasn't "called out Bush for all his lies?" Are you kidding me?

Kerry has made some very strong statements about the Bush admin.

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39. How can you be so sure we'd have a chance

to "begin the long climb back. . ."?

Another Bush win might well make all the awful changes--and more to come--permanent. It's Naderesque thinking that if things get bad enough, there'll _have_ to be a swing to a pendulum. There are no guarantees in history. Your scenario--which could happen, but I fervently hope not--might instead mean the start of another Dark Ages.

[Zorra]

41. Poop. Are we on the same planet?

Bu$h and the neo-cons are fascists.

If Bu$h gets re-selected (because he has not been, and will not be, elected), democracy in this country is history.

People are mobilizing against Bu$h, even republicans, former republicans, former Nader voters, and former non-voters.

We are going to win this election.

[Zero Gravitas]

42. You are a fool of you truly believe that

it has to get even worse before it gets better. Those who have not woke up to how bad Bush is will never wake up. I know the comparisons between our current nightmare and 1930s Germany are both overdone and divisive but the comparison is instructive. Both regimes were based on lies and depend on ignorance & misinformation. Both are centered on a cult of personality based around a flawed individual. If so many in Germany never woke up to Hitler how can Americans wake up to Bush, who, so far at least, is barely a tenth as evil?