What do you say to people who say that the decapitation shows

[Mattforclark]

that we should be in Iraq and are doing the thing. I just don't understand the logic. There is no logic. It's not logical, it's an emotional reaction.

???

What do you say to that?

[opiate69]

1. Yep.. I ask them when they're being deployed.

[MrSlayer]

Well I run a message board and the response there has been...

"I'm voting for Bush now."
"I'm all for making the entire Middle East our slave labor force."
"See, that's why we need to be there"

Those are from Americans.

My foreign members say pretty much all what we say here. I have people from Australia, Germany, Norway, Canada, Turkey, France and a few others. The rest of the world knows a lot better than our own people, not surprising really.

[bluestateguy]

2. What I say:

"Get up off you big fat white ass, put on a uniform and go yourself."

"We" are not at war. They are, and they can fight it. I will not participate in it, nor will I allow my First Amendment rights to be squashed because someboday says there is a war going on.

[FDRrocks]

3. It shows that war is not the answer... and it never was or will be.

Peace.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

4. I say

"well at least we have a reason for being there now, i had gotten worried. When we didn't find WMDs and failed to liberate them after being greeted with flowers it started to look like a waste of time. At least we haven't wasted that 100billion. Whew."

[Blue_Chill]

5. You don't say anything.

You back away slowly and avoid eye contact.

The arguement for or against this war are not found in that video. All that thing is, the most viewed snuff film in history and the eagerness of both side to make petty politics of it is disturbing.

[turiya]

6. ask them

if their family was being tortured, raped, killed and their country occupied illegally, would they welcome the invaders?

[DBoon]

7. The only logic is that they really enjoy violence

and the decapitation feeds their own need for revenge and slaughter

[Jacobin]

8. They're Right. If we hadn't gone in, they wouldn't have needed to

take revenge and this wouldn't have happened. So, yeah, in a twisted way, this proves that this wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been there so.........

jeeze, how do you argue with freepers? (not you)

[Wapsie B]

9. My brother is a freeper repug.

I told him that if chimpy were to actually win this time it would be his son getting drafted. It could be his son, my nephew in that pic.

[Nicholas_J]

10. Totally illogical

How many Americans were captured and decapitated while Saddam was in charge of Iraq?


Here we have a nation of people who DID NOT FIGHT for their "FREEDOM" to overturn the regime of Saddam Hussein. Did not form underground movements to capture and decaptitate members of the Iraqi Republican Guard, were completely unwilling to free themself from the regime they were under, yet they are willing to die, and to kill Americans, and the American military who supposedly freed them.

WHat does this mean. Does this mean that Saddam had a better or more powerful military apparatus than the United States, so that it would have been impossible for the Iraqi people to fight him. No because the U.S. military was able to tatally defeat the combined forces of Saddams Army and his elite Republican Guard. Was his techological ability to protect his borders and nation from being infiltrated by Islamic Fundamentalists who were dedicated to getting rid of his regime/ Perhaps, because Saddams borders were sealed tight, and there was obviously no presence of Islamic groups dedicated to overthrowing his secular regime, which was also a target of Al Qaeda.So perhaps Sadddam dida far better job of keeping internal security than the U.S. is doing because there is every sign that Iraq is now filled with Al Qaeda supporting grouos who have slipped in over the border, from Syria or Iran.

The fact is that a large number of Iraqi's are doing to the U.S. military, the most powerful military force on earth, what they were either unwilling, or unable to do to Saddam. Though if they can do it to us, our military is not what we are being told it is. And if they are unwilling, then we simply should have never gone there to begin with, as they obviously found Saddams rule preferable to ours, because they were not as willing to fight adn die in large numers to get rid of Saddam.

Think of it, they are willing to DIE, to attack us, but they were not willing to die to get rid of Saddam.

This is the clearest indication that we should not have bothered getting rid of Saddam.

The fact that they find U.S. rule so repugnant that they are completely willing to fight and die to end U.S. presence in their nation.

And the fact that they were not willing to do so under Saddam.

In fact it is very likely that the Iraqi Security and Iraqi police force that we are putting together to provide security on an every day basis is simply rife with members supporting the Mahdi Army and the other groupd who are involved with killing American citizens adn contract workers in Iraq. The events of the decapitation event clearly point to an insider providing information about the wheeabouts of the person killed on his way out of Iraq.

[readmylips]

15. illogical: Same tactics Cuban used during the BayPigs....

Cubans wanted to influence the US into fighting Castro, using American soldiers. Prez Kennedy said no. Kennedy wanted Cubans themselves to go off and fight Castro with US support, but no US soldiers. The Cubans have never forgotten and today, they are still trying to get the US to send soldiers to crush Castro. Yet, after over 40 years, Cubans have never formed alliances against Castro to fight in their land to get rid of Castro. I'm sure any Cuban could have killed Castro long time ago. But today the Cubans, like Israel, have learned to play American politics and now blackmail the US. Those Cubans don't give a crap about a poor lost island in the caribbean or about Castro. Their game is power in the US through blackmail.

[riverwalker]

11. The children were aged three, six and 10.

The soldiers were shouting "Stop" in English, although they were at a checkpoint in a foriegn country. How hard would it be to learn to say "stop" in Arabic? Six dead because no one could say: STOP.
I know, the story is a year old, but multiply it 10,000 times.
"One boy's war... bathed in blood of his family
His father. His mother. Two sisters. A brother. And an uncle. All dead. That was the price of war for 15-year-old Omar when the vehicle he was riding in failed to stop at a US checkpoint five miles from Baghdad."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,930797,00.html
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP Please. Thats all I can think of saying.

[nonconformist]

12. Point out the cycle of violence

and that, if anything, it's additional evidence on why we shouldn't be there in the first place.

[Failure]

13. If we weren't there, it wouldn't have happened. period. nt

[pansypoo53219]

14. weare now at the cusp of our own west bank and gaza

do we wish to continue this for the next millineum , with the entire islamic world coming for US AT HOME? this is not going to stay in IWaq. 9/11 was a mere shot across the bow from the east.

and george fucking idiot bush made more wrong moves than we can fix. if we do not REMOVE HIM AND HIS puppet masters, this country is in for kharmic bitchslaps. and all the small picture testosterone assholes who think we can just pound away at iwaq to get our fucking oil are in for a fucking surprise. because we are fat, lazy, and STUPID, and we won't fight like they will to get us OUT.

george bush has opened pandora's box and he has no idea how to close it.
FUCK HIM FUCK HIM FUCK HIM.

whew, that was nice and clensing. now i wish the democrats in congres would think that as well.

[LoZoccolo]

16. Yeah I don't get it.

Maybe that we should actually catch the guys responsible instead of giving more people a reason not to like us (e.g. killing their relatives).

[LoZoccolo]

17. Oh and...

...ask them why.