Please DUers, no more gloom and doom - we are WINNING; * is TOAST

[TruthIsAll]

http://pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

With an average reelect of 43%; with plunging poll numbers; with GIs writing home that they hate the guy; with millions looking for work; with Americans getting killed every day; with states going bust; with Bush lies now mainstream; with one Bush voter after another vowing to vote for the Dem in 2004; with NY Times and WP editorial writers bashing Bush; with the biggest scandal in history (Diebold, etc.) about to break; with the WH rats jumping the sinking ship; with the CIA and FBI leaking like a sieve; with Wilson's CIA wife outted by the WH - another treasonable offense; with the VFW gearing up against Bush; with the 9/11 Saudi/Bush coverup an ongoing scandal; with Arnie an obvious foil to steal California like they did Florida..and with the Democratic base, Independents and thinking Repubs all energized as never before...and with Cal. Rep. Henry Waxman plodding straight ahead and laying the foundation for the I-word..



B U S H I S T O A S T ....

[cherryperry]

1. No disagreement here! Thanks . . . n/t

[JVS]

2. Glad to hear it

Thanks for the pick-me-up

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. Every time we post a message of doom and gloom...

We do the work of Sata^H^H^H^HKarl Rove. We are slowly and incrementally winning. I have no doubts of that.

[samsingh]

4. the x factor is the role of the media

and their ability to twist the message as they did in the last Nov elections.

[Chomskyite]

5. He would be toast

. . . except for that probable $400 million campaign warchest he'll get for doing ALL the favors to the fatcats that he promised he'd do.

[Cha]

8. Money's not everything!

[tridim]

16. No joke

What's he going to spend it on? Commercials showing his indisputably crappy record? Every campaign ad they attempt will be an obvious whopper of a lie. The Freepers and Dittomonkeys will cheer, the rest of America will LOL and flip him the bird.

[robbedvoter]

6. I agree. Let's see how all this plays in California.

It is a microcosm of the country.

[seafan]

7. The same can be said of Florida!

Come on down here, Karl, after California kicks yer rump. Checkmate.

:toast:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

10. But the issues in Cali are not the same as the national issues

[seafan]

14. Rove is setting up a 2004 coup attempt in California.

Transparent. Just like in Florida in 2000, only his methods have shifted to accomplish the same end goal... a wad of electoral votes for *.

All Bob Graham would need, to virtually seal the election if nominated, is to win NY, California and Florida and it's all over but the shouting. Rove is trying to go after Graham under this smokescreen, IMHO.

[sandnsea]

15. yes they are

Corporate fraud.

Unemployment because of jobs going overseas.

Loss of revenue from tax cuts causing loss of services.

Republicans run-amuk.

Media hype & money over qualifications and substance; with Arnold running.

The federal policies have caused alot of California's problems, if not all of them. If the Democrats can't get it together and make the case in Cali, we are in alot of trouble next year. I see it as the perfect dry run.

[shanti]

21. you think so?

most people i've had contact with on the internet feel that california is SOO far away from what the rest of the country is doing. we're looked at as an anomaly, another country...

[Terwilliger]

9. I love your leftism, Truth

but your energy would be better directed at the parishioners...not the choir.

[tridim]

11. I've been optimistic for a few weeks now

for the first time in almost 3 years. DU is up and down, I just go with the flow. * IS toast.

[diamond14]

12. True, the whole situation is turning around...BIG changes have

occurred in the last month...and no matter how hard shrub and his spinners try to move the "WMD/rush to war" off the front pages, even arnold...it just keeps popping up there...Today's paper copy of the WP was quite spectacular...the Walter Pincus article (which indicates major leaking over at CIA)....slowly, shrub's ship is sinking, KEEP FIGHTING, and soon, that leaking ship will start to really go down...the "WMD/rush to war" intelligence failures need to merge into the "9/11" intelligence failures and then the shrub-sinking will be guaranteed....shrub is skating so far, IMO, it'll be when shrub get back to DC that all hell breaks loose (and the WH is an ideal location for protests...close to millions of people).....

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Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence
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shown above the fold, as the FIRST story, spread that headline all across the entire 5 column paper...it was prominent...expect a typical insane response from shrub and his minions this week...

followed by all kinds of articles throughout the front section on bush* failed war/war policies/soldier funerals/soldier injuries/costs and all that...WP slammed shrub again BIG TIME...

IMHO, the concern is that people will stop pressuring everyone...we cannot stop now...KEEP UP THE FIGHT...on Monday, call your congress reps offices, write a letter to your local paper, call into talk shows, go to a protest... KEEP FIGHTING...we will WIN !!!!! The end of the tunnel is in sight....

[Dob Bole]

13. I am optimistic...

but I'm pretty much always optimistic. I'll agree though, the warchest is a problem. Commercials could definitely backfire, though.

[are_we_united_yet]

17. Truth has a great point....

Though I'm still leary about the collective voting intelligence out there, things look better than ever. The conservative, inconsistent venom spitting morons e.g. Hannity, Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh etc.( I'm trying not to bash Republicans because a great many of them are decent folks) lie so often, it becomes truth to people.

Imagine if we (dislikers of this administration) begin to regularly repeat the truth.

[iangb]

18. You're not getting it.

The chances are that there will be no 2004 election to fight. (In fact the worse Bush's re-elect numbers get the more likely that scenario becomes.)

He already has the power to cancel the election, and an existing 'Emergency' to quote as justification for doing so.

Before you reply "He wouldn't dare." consider his record to date. Of course he would.

Read.... http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html

....and get onto your Reps before it's too late.

[Unforgiven]

22. My Fear Too

My fear also but, I so hope that we are wrong.

[tridim]

23. In 2004 there will either be an election,

or a cancelled election followed by a revolution. Either way, we'll win.

[iangb]

24. Revolution?....

Who's going to revolt against an Administration that's acting to "save freedom and democracy"?.....for that's how a cancellation would be portrayed by them and their media mates.

It wouldn't be difficult to convince the majority that 'to have an election at this time would destabilise our fight against evil'.

[are_we_united_yet]

25. I'm actually more concerned

The public will vote him in. Not to say your scenario is unlikely (at this point I won't put anything past this man), but my primary worry is the voting public today.

[mot78]

26. No Offense to the "Swing Voters" but....

they are probably the most uminformed voting bloc in this country. Because the COnservatives dominate the media, they can just create a majority out of O'Reilly and Rush's Neanderthal rants, and the swingers will believe it. They're bait for the sound bite-ocracy.

[Ouabache]

31. Who knows about the swing voters anyway...

50% of them start paying attention 2 weeks before the election. 25% start paying attention the week before the election, and the final 25% start to pay attention the weekend before the election.

Seems to me.

[jeanmarc]

19. Bush IS so toast

We can run anyone that can fog a mirror and that mirror fogger will beat Bush.

That said, the primaries will put out a fantastic candidate.

I see alot of Bush types staying home.

[UTUSN]

20. Have I Told t-i-a I Love t-i-a I LATELY???? n/t

[nolabels]

27. Your Imagining something that is not so

What you are seeing is big money pulling * and cabal’s chains. They are only being brought back in line to what is set for them to do by players and forces that don’t show their hands. Reversals are common in Judo as well as politics. Besides what are you afraid of anyway? Like us people on this board have some kind of weird power or something. The best way for the investors of the forth estate to get back credibility is to lull people into thinking things are going like they should, so later on they come back and do it you again. What if anything has changed for the better in the last couple years anyway?
I am more than willing to trust something with a good track record, but that seems lacking in most ways I can see

I saw the quote today that fits pretty well for this train of thought

If you're going through hell, keep going.
--Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965) British Statesman, Prime Minister, Author


http://www.mrsedivy.com/quotes12.html

[The White Rose]

28. So, what will they do to turn it around?

THAT'S what scares me...

[nolabels]

29. That's like asking when will the Indians find buffalo

They stick their ear to the ground and listen for it, if they don’t hear any they move on. Have you seen the movie “DANCES WITH WOLVES”. Opportunity and caution go hand in Chinese expression of fear or something like that. Anyway I wouldn’t fear whatever or whoever it is you fear, we are many and others are few

http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/1990/11/576465.html
DANCES WITH WOLVES

Date of publication: 11/09/1990
For cast, rating and other information, (click here)
By Roger Ebert
They meet at first in the middle of the prairie, holding themselves formally and a little awkwardly, the cavalry officer and Sioux Indians. There should be instant mistrust between them, but they take each other's measure and keep an open mind. A civilized man is a person whose curiosity outweighs his prejudices, and these are curious men.
They know no words of each other's languages. Dunbar, the white man, tries to pantomime a buffalo. Wind in His Hair, a fierce warrior, looks at the charade and says, "His mind is gone." But Kicking Bird, the holy man, thinks he understands what the stranger is trying to say, and at last they exchange the word for "buffalo" in each other's languages. These first halting words are the crucial moments in Kevin Costner's "Dances With Wolves," a film about a white man who goes to live with Indians and learns their civilization at first hand.
In real life, such contacts hardly ever took place. The dominant American culture was nearsighted, incurious and racist, and saw the Indians as a race of ignorant, thieving savages, fit to be shot on sight. Such attitudes survived until so recently in our society - just look at the B Westerns of the 1940s - that we can only imagine how much worse they were 100 years ago. In a sense, "Dances With Wolves" is a sentimental fantasy, a "what if" movie that imagines a world in which whites were genuinely interested in learning about a Native American culture that lived more closely in harmony with the natural world than any other before or since. But our knowledge of how things turned out - of how the Indians were driven from their lands by genocide and theft - casts a sad shadow over everything.
The movie is a simple story, magnificently told. It has the epic sweep and clarity of a Western by John Ford, and it abandons the contrivances of ordinary plotting to look, in detail, at the way strangers get to know one another. The film is seen from the point of view of Dunbar (Costner), a lieutenant in the Union Army, who runs away from a field hospital as his foot is about to be amputated, and invites death by riding his horse in a suicidal charge at the Confederate lines. When he miraculously survives, he is decorated and given his choice of any posting, and he chooses the frontier, because "I want to see it before it's gone." He draws an isolated outpost in the Dakotas, where he is the only white man for miles around. He is alone, but at first not lonely; he keeps a journal and writes of his daily routine, and after the first contact with the Sioux he documents the way they slowly get to know one another. Dunbar possesses the one quality he needs to cut through the entrenched racism of his time: He is able to look another man in the eye, and see the man, rather than his attitudes about the man.

(SNIP)

[BushHasGotToGo]

30. Democrat elect 38%

n/t

[tedoll78]

32. Add to that Soros' billions for GOTV..

.. in 17 crucial electoral states. This will save our ticket tens of millions of dolllars, dollars that can be re-routed for other causes.

Like infomercials!

[ErasureAcer]

33. You forget one thing...never underestimate American Stupidity...

You expect the people of America to turnaround their support for Bush? That would have to admit they were wrong...and that my friends is a tough thing to do for those stupid Americans who don't like to find fault with themselves...who are so high on american pride.

Furthermore, I'm a liberal and won't be voting for many of the Democratic Candidates because they don't change anything except not pre-emptively attacking nations.

Truly, I want a change in America. And damn it, I'm gonna get it by the time I die. If I have to start a civil war, damn it...this nation needs to change big time.

And that's why I support Dennis Kucinich. He is the only one with a totally different take on our spending, our values, our children, and our legacy as the United States of America.

If America has a soul, a conscious, an intelligence it will nominate Dennis Kucinich to be the Democratic Candidate for President and then will elect him to 8 years in office.

If Dennis doesn't get the nod, what will even be the point to go vote come November 2004? I get the choice between a death penalty supporter and a death penalty supporter. A choice between higher pentagon budget and a higher pentagon budget. A choice between corporate influence and corporate influence. A choice between high retirement age making us practically SLAVES, or between a high retirement making us slaves. A choice between keeping the school of americas open and America supporting terrorism, or keeping the school of americas open and America supporting terrorism.

Truly...I want a change damn it...and I won't settle for anything less. Dean won't get my vote. Kerry won't get my vote. Graham won't get my vote. Lieberman won't get my vote. Edwards won't get my vote. And Gephardt won't get my vote either.

VOTE KUCINICH...a man with a vision to change America for the better.

Or let the world turn to ashes...for life isn't worth living under this current system.