"At least, Reagan was a good president"...

[Skidmore]

That was the snippet of conversation I overheard in the gift shop at our facility now. Followed by a sober nod of agreement from the person on the receiving end of the conversation.

Consensus was there's no way the R ticket can be voted for in '04.

[progressiveBadger]

1. good good...

but it's sad that people still think so highly of reagan.

[taxidriver]

2. an entire generation of people

revere reagan. for better or for worse. either way, he's long since been in a coma-like state with his disease.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. That's a comparative exercise mind you

it's also sad that Bush is so pathetically bad.

[QC]

7. As bad as Reagan was, he looks pretty good in retrospect.

Of course, that's more a commentary on Chimpy than on Reagan, who was a disaster in his own right.

[zbdent]

3. "At least, Reagan could read a script

without f-ing it up much."

[No2W2004]

5. Beat me to it!

Darn it!
:hi:

Boy howdy, that Ronnie sure LOOKED presidential!

[jobycom]

4. Reagan was evil and deserves the suffering he endures now!

But whatever, if they vote against Bush, that's better than nothing.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

8. I saw this on the shelf at Barnes & Noble yesterday...

This is a new book (publication date March 25, 2004).

And here's the Amazon blurb:

"According to recent opinion polls, Ronald Reagan is the most popular of modern presidents, and yet to most biographers the man is still an enigma. This is because, as Brown explains, no one has ever focused on this great man’s faith. This book explores the life and personality of Ronald Reagan by focusing on his deep-felt Christian beliefs and showing how faith guided him along his distinguished career and led him to his unprecedented success. With the support of Ronald Reagan's own words and writings and first-hand interviews of Ronald Reagan's family, friends, and co-workers, Brown weaves a magnificent story of Reagan’s strong devotion to God that will not only inspire Christians to enter public service and allow their faith to motivate all their actions but also help point others to the Cross of Jesus Christ—a cause that was near and dear to President Reagan's heart."

:scared:

[troublemaker]

9. "The strong and quiet faith..."

I can vouch for the "quiet" part. The man was a fucking atheist.

[kcwayne]

11. I'm a fucking atheist, and proud of it

And have a much better time in life than these idiots... because I figured out how to fuck about the same time I figured out that there was no god. Hallelujah brothers and sisters!

Couple told to try sex

[papau]

12. gag - Ron was not evil - just uncaring and loyal to GE but he had no faith

How do folks forget the screwing of the mentally ill as Gov - and then as Pres - using the same method - promise if you let me close down this and this I will push for replacements via new funding (in CAL) or for states to fund (in Aug 81 budget that killed Federal funding of mentally ill) - and then Ron does nothing. Heck screwing the disabled on SS DI and SSI via "review" that did not stop until a special Congressional law/provision stopped it. And by administrative rule ending fair access to the media - and then vetoing the bill that restored that access.

School lunch savings via Ketchup as a veggie replacement?

Iran-Contra drugs and killing by right wing rich of "left" women and children and nuns and priests?

Starving the government with tax cuts for the rich that caused a 14 month deep recession - shades of Bush43's plan and success - followed by Star Wars waste (his actual defense budget increases followed Carters 5 year plan released in 1980 - so we can not as Dems get too up tight about that rather modest and necessary - but non-star wars - increase in defense spending). Then asking for silly budgets with known to to be understated automatic spending so that his total budget was "low", followed by individual budget requests that were at the end of the day a half trillion MORE than Congress allowed him to spend (see the Ways and Means 1993 study)

How was Reagan a good president again?

[calimary]

15. Don't worry, More than a few of us haven't forgotten.

And we tell our kids about it, too.

We suffered under Ronzo for far too long here in California. And I thought he was awful. Dastardly, because he played it up as such a kindly, genuine "knows what he believes" old fella.

MY ASS.

And by the time he became president, we suffered even more. LET US NOT EVER FORGET THAT

Under Reagan, "Reaganomics" took hold on this country - by the throat. Under Reagan, the vile newt gingrich rose to power, along with his damnable "Contract On America" and the GOPAC nightmare that led to the rise of the republi-CON takeover. Under Reagan, the xian coalition and other fundies gained ground, momentum, and credibility, not to mention - power all over the place. Under Reagan, we got the dreaded Antonin Scalia, and Rehnquist was made chief justice, plus fellow Felonious Five member Sandra Day O'Connor was brought in, as was Anthony Kennedy - another such member. The seeds of the demise of The Fairness Doctrine were planted - clearing the way for the rise of rush limbaugh. bush the first was WELL-positioned to take over afterwards. Roger Ailes, John Poindexter, Oliver North, Elliot Abrams, rummy, cheney, the damnable Lee Atwater and the rest of the vermin rose to prominence, and never looked back. And Roger Ailes' rise led us to the Pox "news" network.

Reagan made all that possible. ALL of it. EVERYTHING that's gone wrong today leads back to him. May he roast in hell.

[kskiska]

14. I'll bet Michael Reagan never searches for his biological parents

He's got a cash cow in Ronnie, who totally ignored him when he was lucid. Now that Ronnie's taken to his bed, Michael has taken on the role of beloved son.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

17. Yeah, I noticed that too when the CBS / Showtime movie came out...

Michael Reagan was on the cable news shows at least once a day, every day, from the time the "scandal" first started until the movie aired. Definitely made me ask more than a few times:

:wtf:

[HornBuckler]

20. Another BS Poll

"According to recent opinion polls, Ronald Reagan is the most popular of modern presidents"

Hmmmm I'm Sure My Life Will Out Sell Any Reagan Biography Because Clinton Isn't As Popular As Reagan... WTF?

[Cleita]

10. Our country became great and powerful starting with FDR.

When Reagan became first Governor of California and then President of the United States, he started the free fall spin into third world status. Clinton started the reversal of the free fall, but Bush has completed the cycle taking us back to Hoover and the depression. Thanks so much Ronnie.

[Career Prole]

13. They need to qualify that a little...

...perhaps "best president who started out a POS actor", maybe.
Interesting he was so well-loved by both the right-wing and the Baathists alike. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

[yellowcanine]

16. Jesus Christ—a cause that was near and dear to President Reagan's heart."

Amazing how fundies will just make shit up. I don't remember RR ever professing any belief in JC. I do remember that he used an astrologer to assist him in making important presidential decisions.

[bobbieinok]

18. R-divorced, rarely went to church, etc ....... Carter a real 'born again'

Christian.

So who did the 'born agains' attack??? Carter

So who did the 'born agains' metaphorically baptize??? Reagan

Proof, if needed, that RW political agenda trumps/trumped even their belief in 'christianity' for the religious right.

[Cleita]

19. Maybe part of being born again is to believe that white is black

and vice versa. Maybe lying and being lied to is part of the process of becoming born again. :shrug: