A Question about time stamps, two camera theory

[Nadienne]

Is it possible that the time stamp signature could be manipulated, or editted afterward?

In other words: could the video of the Berg execution have been made to look as though two cameras were used in order to "explain" the gaps in the footage?

Think about it: the time stamp tries to show that no time is missing during the beheading, that there is no break in the action. Right?

Do I make any sense?

(If this has already been closely examined and I missed it, I humbly apologize.)

[Rationality]

1. A: Yes, doubtful, what break? and actually I don't get you. ((n/t))

[Nadienne]

2. I'm trying to understand...

Perhaps the time stamp was edited to make viewers think two cameras were used and the film was spliced together. When possibly they are trying to hide missing hours...

I don't know. I just wonder if it's possible.

[Tansy_Gold]

3. the explanation supplied by a DUer who looked at the video

almost frame by frame indicates there were indeed at least two cameras based not ONLY on the time stamp but also on the camera angle.

Same explanation indicates that actions of Berg were consistent in the two time stamps, i.e. alive and speaking/moving in A time stamp and also alive and speaking/moving in B time stamp.

SIMPLEST explanation is that two cameras were used, each had different time stamp (perhaps bought in different countries, time not reset???). Justification would be to make sure unduplicatable action was caught on at least one camera. No retakes possible.

IF there had been the possibility of retakes and that had been done, using one, two, or more cameras, I would think it likely that the time stamp differential would be inconsistent, but MiddleMen's analysis shows that time stamp differential was in fact consistent, lending credence to two-camera, real-time video of actual murder.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1596064

It's a long thread and not all the information is in one post, but MiddleMen's analysis struck me as being sincere and accurate. BUT I HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT MYSELF WATCH THE VIDEO. So you can dismiss my comments if you like.

[Nadienne]

4. I remember that thread.

That's quite a bit of work he did. Thank you for your analysis.

And it raises another question...

Two (or more) cameras; the film would have to be spliced together, frame by frame... Was the time stamp differential so consistent that not even a fraction of a second is missing? If it was that consistent, isn't that kinda suspicious? Like maybe the time stamp was edited afterwards?

Truthfully, I'm not sure whether or not I believe the video was faked... But I want to know, was it absolutely impossible to fake the video? Or, even if there's only a very, very slim possibility, could it be a fake?

[Tansy_Gold]

5. Splicing

I'm not an expert -- I've "edited" exactly three digital videos in my entire life -- but I do know it's not like physically splicing 8mm film.

MiddleMen's analysis indicated there was not even a fraction of a second difference, which based on my very limited experience suggests they put two simultaneous real-time versions into an editor and cut-and-pasted for a single continuous version using the best shots along a single time-line, if that makes any sense. I know I'm not explaining it very well. For instance, in part of the footage, the time stamp obscured (or I should say, appeared to obscure) the "action" in one version, so the murders edited in the other camera angle in which the time stamp didn't obscure.

Again, there were many people who suggested that Berg was alive in Time Stamp A, then killed, then the beheading of his dead body was accomplished in Time Stamp B, but MiddleMen's analysis showed that Berg was alive in both segments, which argues for real-time filming of both cameras.

And again, the disclaimer that I have not watched the video. I'm only citing someone else's analysis, but I have not seen anyone refute his analysis here on DU. In fact, whenever that analysis is cited, discussion of time stamp anomalies tends to cease. :shrug: Go figure.

[Nadienne]

8. It makes sense to me.

I had hoped this might be a way to tell for sure, but now I guess maybe not.

Middlemen did a heck of a job. Such detail...

[soothsayer]

6. And I still think the time diff is a clue to where the other camera came

from.

[Nadienne]

7. As in, it came from a different time zone?

(n/t)

[Kazak]

9. With todays "toaster" technology,...

virtually anything is possible.