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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:37 AM
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Poll question: Did Rumsfeld knew about the tortures before it came out?
Edited on Wed May-19-04 06:38 AM by Cascadian
Who believes Donald Rumsfeld knew what was going on at the Abu Gharib prison before word got out to the public?


John
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:41 AM
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1. He knew because he instigated it.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:49 AM
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2. quite right, "Copper Green", secret squad of thugs from rummy
and rummy gave the word to toss out the tired ol geneva convention rules after 9-11
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:41 AM
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6. yeah...he knew alright. n/t
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:04 AM
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3. Von Runstedt, I mean Rumsfeldt didn't know? Riiiight.
A good Nazi like Rummy? He planned the whole damned thing.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:07 AM
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4. Digital cameras
Rumdumb didn't know about those new fangle cameras.
He was real upset when he heard about 'em.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:10 AM
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5. He knew, and so did the rest of the NeoCon Junta. It's all coming out.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:43 AM
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7. The most biased poll
ever on DU and I am pleased I got the opportunity to vote. Yeah.
To vote no means you believe that Cheney's secret energy meetings have nothing to do with the high pump prices now.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:07 AM
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8. They all knew; for any who doubt . . .
From Newsweek (Web exclusive)
Last updated Monday May 17

Memos Reveal War Crimes Warnings
By Michael Isikoff
Investigative Correspondent

The White House's top lawyer warned more than two years ago that U.S. officials could be prosecuted for "war crimes" as a result of new and unorthodox measures used by the Bush administration in the war on terrorism, according to an internal White House memo and interviews with participants in the debate over the issue.
The concern about possible future prosecution for war crimes—and that it might even apply to Bush adminstration officials themselves— is contained in a crucial portion of an internal January 25, 2002, memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales obtained by NEWSWEEK. It urges President George Bush declare the war in Afghanistan, including the detention of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, exempt from the provisions of the Geneva Convention.
In the memo, the White House lawyer focused on a little known 1996 law passed by Congress, known as the War Crimes Act, that banned any Americans from committing war crimes—defined in part as "grave breaches" of the Geneva Conventions. Noting that the law applies to "U.S. officials" and that punishments for violators "include the death penalty," Gonzales told Bush that "it was difficult to predict with confidence" how Justice Department prosecutors might apply the law in the future. This was especially the case given that some of the language in the Geneva Conventions—such as that outlawing "outrages upon personal dignity" and "inhuman treatment" of prisoners—was "undefined."

Read more.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:40 AM
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9. Remember,
these guys were floating the torture trial balloon at least as early as 2002. At any rate, allegations of torture in Afghanistan have been known since around that time.

Briton tells of ordeal in Bush's torture jail
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,866246,00.html

Bush faces new allegations of torture
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=521076
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:56 AM
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10. Bush knew, too. Remember those "rape room" comments?
The ones he, puzzlingly, kept dropping into speeches?

I bet he'd seen some really good pictures & he couldn't get them off his mind. There were tapes, too. Wonder if he watched them with Condi?



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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 08:57 AM
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11. Well worded.
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