We should be better than this . . .more pics surface

[wndycty]

We should be better than this. What happened to Nick Berg was sick and disgusting, but this is just a bad. . .We should be better than this.


Spc. Charles Graner of the 372nd Military Police Company smiles as he poses by the body of Manadel al-Jamadi, an Iraqi who died in U.S. custody at Abu Ghraib prison.


Spc. Sabrina Harmon, also of the 372nd Military Police Company, gives a thumbs-up sign by the body of Iraqi detainee Manadel al-Jamadi.
WARNING: The following graphic depictions include nudity. Viewer discretion is advised.

More Photos Surface
Soldiers Shown Giving Thumbs Up Sign
By Body of Dead Iraqi Prisoner

By Brian Ross

May 19, 2004— ABCNEWS has obtained two new photos taken at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq showing Spc. Charles Graner and Spc. Sabrina Harmon posing over the body of a detainee who was allegedly beaten to death by CIA or civilian interrogators in the prison's showers. The detainee's name was Manadel al-Jamadi.

According to testimony from Spc. Jason Kenner, obtained by ABCNEWS, the man was brought to the prison by U.S. Navy Seals in good health. Kenner said he saw extensive bruising on the detainee's body when he was brought out of the showers, dead.

Kenner says the body was packed in ice during a "battle" between CIA and military interrogators over who should dispose of the body.
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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Investigation/abu_ghraib_photos_040519.html

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Yeah that dead guy was probably really humiliated by these pix

wonder of he "talked"....

[wndycty]

2. As someone pointed out. . .

. . .we are better because he kept his head.

[Bandit]

44. I am humiliated by the pictures how about you?

He is dead. He will never be humiliated by anything ever again and he was probably just an innocent civilian who knew nothing. Does the picture make you proud of your country?

[BlueEyedSon]

45. Only if they got a confession out of a dead guy

as a result of posthumous humiliation. If they can do that, they're damn good!

/irony off

[MikeG]

3. Yeah. That's how I was raised.

What a pile of frigging scum.

[Wickerman]

4. wow, Sabrina, I'll bet your daddy is SO proud of you

I say that, thinking of a step-daughter, not much younger than her, old enough to go into the military.

[kentuck]

5. There are probably hundreds of these photos out there....

somewhere. Congress nor the Pentagon will be able to cover them up..

[nomaco-10]

14. There were 1800 add to that another disk discovered today. /nt

[tridim]

21. Yep, they just "discovered" it..

BS, random digital photos don't just magically burn themselves to CD-ROM. Who burned these CDs? Why? When? So many questions that will never be answered.

[nomaco-10]

35. I've been meaning to do some research on that myself...

I'm very interested to know how it is that so many pictures and even videos came to be uncovered.
Nearly 2,000 photos! Did these people take photos all day and if so, over what period of time? How many people are involved in the actual taking of all these digital photos? Did these morons from the 372 take them to remind themselves of what a swell time they had in Iraq and could reminisce about the good old days? How did Seymour Hearsh get them? So many questions.

I don't stay in here all the time, I check in every couple of days and the board seems to move so fast here lately, it's hard to keep up. Perhaps someone will see our posts and be kind enough to post a couple of links.

[xchrom]

6. we have never been ''better than this''

that's the real point americans are willingly blind to their own behavior, history, etc.
it's a psychological failing of pretty enormous proportions.

[Eric J in MN]

11. The general public has viewed few photos of the Iraqi dead

The general public has viewed few photos of the Iraqi dead, but if that is changing, maybe Americans will be more reluctant to start a war.

[Alerter_]

15. war will never be the same, with cheap digital photography

this could be good, or bad. Actually, I can't see how it could be worse, so...

[Eric J in MN]

16. But tv news has the option of showing viewers things or not

But tv news and newspapers have the option of showing viewers things or not.

Until recently, the news media has mostly been avoiding showing any gruesome photos. There were digital cameras at the start of the war, as well, but editors can decide which photos to print.

[bullimiami]

18. Right you are xchrom/

If we want to be better than this then we need to deal with it like members of the world. Not like renegade gangsters.
Most of us are not animals. Most of us are horrified by this. We have some monsters in our midst and we need to not allow them to be accepted.
Bush and his beasts have brought shame upon all of us and the measure of our collective humanity will be shown by how we deal with it.


Sharon has brought the same shame upon Israel. We were once a proud people. A people that survived slavery, oppression and genocide. Survived Egyptians, Romans and Nazis.
We did not find joy in the destruction of our oppressors, we always preached mercy and compassion for everyone. Sharon and Likud have made us no better than those things we hated no better than the Egyptians, Romans or Nazis.



Yes I am American and Jewish and I am ashamed.

[xchrom]

23. not the point -- americans have a history

of committing atrocities and viewing them -- re:indian wars, africans, phillipinos, latin america, etc. and then forgetting that we do such things.
we've done it again in iraq. we've all gone to a lynching -- picnic baskets in hand and watched. we knew we were attacking, bombing maiming people who were not as strong as us -- and worse who had not done anything to us.

[Eric J in MN]

7. Will those horrible pictures cause Rep. Steve King

Will those horrible pictures cause Rep. Steve King (R-IA) to retract his remark that this is like a "hazing?"

I don't want Steve King in Congress next term.

He is running against Joyce Shulte. and I gave her $50.

http://www.joyceschulte.net/content/about/

We shouldn't have anyone in Congress next term who belittled this horrible treatment.

Everyone who caused this should be punished with prison, and every politician who belittled it should be voted out.

[Wickerman]

8. WARNING: The following graphic depictions include nudity. Viewer discretio

Nudity - there are freaking dead people there that US soldiers killed and we have to worry about nudity.

Stop the planet - this place is too fucked up to spin on.

[Eric J in MN]

17. lunabush - who are you quoting? nt

nt

[daleo]

30. I think it is the ABC website slide show

I saw that too. It is revealing of the state of mind that goes berserk over Janet Jackson's breast, but is OK with all kinds of blood and mayhem.

[Wickerman]

31. Yep, its from the slide show

sorry, I was pissed off enough that I just typed and forgot to add a link.

d'oh

[lovedems]

9. Packed on ice while they argued over who would dispose of the body?

Yeah, we sure are better. We really "show respect for human life" when we give the thumbs up over a guy who was beaten to death. This sure makes the chimps words to Isreal about showing restraint sure look pathetic. Where was your restraint dumbass when you signed your secret order for torture and humiliation?

Are we at the beginning of the drip, drip, drip or will the flood gates open?

[jimshoes]

19. I wonder what this poor bastard's

crime was that he merited being beaten to death?

[lovedems]

27. It was probably something horrific, like he was somebody's brother

or uncle they were looking for. Crimes like *that* are just terrible. <obvious sarcasm> You know, they did the same thing in Florida in 2000. If you had anything in common with a felon, you to were purged from the voting rolls. Yep, the chimp sure is spreading his idea of democracy.

[truthspeaker]

46. His crime? Defending his country from a foreign invader.

That makes him a terrarist.

[Miss Authoritiva]

10. Anyone knowledgeable about Middle Eastern hand gestures?

I could be wrong, but I think the gesture that Graner is making with his left hand (the upper hand in the photo making a gesture similar to our American "okay" sign) means something like "you're mother was a whore."

Anybody know for sure what the gesture means?

[tjwash]

13. The "thumbs up" sign is how Iranians flip each other the bird.

Notably the girl, with the thumb real tight against the other fingers. Not sure about Iraqis however. Had an Iranian roommate who taught me that one.

[BarbaRosa]

49. Way back when,

I was living in Australia (no connection except that different people interpret things differently) you hitchhiked with your index finger pointed down toward the road. The American way of hitching was a -up your's mate-.

[charlie]

12. Appears we have a new superstar in the firmament

World, meet Sabrina, the US's latest, freshest, toothiest goodwill ambassador.

Fuck me, we are soo fucked.

[robbedvoter]

20. He looks happy that we got rid of Saddam - I am sure he prayed to Allah

for W's health and happiness right before he died.

[MikeG]

22. Repug reply: See what happens when you let women in the military?

[roguevalley]

24. I wish I was their mother so I could kill myself.

[Bread and Circus]

25. Good Job, Rummy.

[Cheswick2.0]

26. Glory glory haleluia, he's been liberated!

Thank you Bush INC!!!!!!!

[MikeG]

28. Sugar and spice and everything nice?

[kentuck]

29. Good thing they don't get steroids !

We could have a unisex Army....

[Octafish]

32. Raised on Reagan.

These are just two of MILLIONS who were brought up believing it's OK to hate -- and kill -- "Them."

[Disturbed]

33. Business as usual.

"we've done it again in iraq."

Also in GETMO, Afghanistan and have outsourced other "enemey" combatents to other counytries to be tortured so that no one will ever find out.

This is a systmic situation not a "few bad apples" or "isolated events". The US govt perpetuated, approved and promoted War Crimes!

[ElementaryPenguin]

34. REVOLTING!! We are fucking Nazis!!!

What has Bushler and his Bush Crime Administration done to our country!! I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE THIS SHIT ANYMORE!!

:puke:
:argh:
:mad:

[Q]

36. Another 'terminal interrogation'...

...just like......Berg?

[IHaveADream]

37. Now it's "Rally round our President" time

bush starts going up in the polls again . . .makes me puke to think this country has lost all its sense of decency. . . how can anyone possibly rally around this complete failure of a president????

[Oddman]

39. Man this country is suffering from a severe case of

idiotitis . . . I just can't believe that people would want to rally around the rotting corpse this administration has become. . .

[dudeness]

38. I think my signature line says it all..

n/t

[Southsideirish]

40. "Here she is, Miss America, here she is - your ideal..."

I find this photo of Ms. Sabrina Harmon much more damning than all others in that she is such a wholesome appearing and beautiful "All American" girl. Can't you see her now - riding a float at a Midwestern university campus? In a better world that's where she would be instead of grinning next to an Iraqi corpse.

[wndycty]

41. Kick

:kick:

[Joanne98]

42. She needs to be spit on when she gets back. I'll volunteer. :)

[Lou_C]

43. Are they both High?

:puke:

[Walt Starr]

47. As I predicted, coming out in drips and drabs.

I wonder if the anal rape videos will come out in October?

[KansDem]

48. Doesn't this (kind of) border on necrophilia...???

When I saw these pictures, I was prompted to look up "necrophilia" in the dictionary. I found this definition, "an erotic attraction to corpses." OK, maybe this is not "necrophilia" exactly, but to kill someone and then get your face in his and smile seems a little weird.

They just look too happy to be posing with a corpse.