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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:32 AM
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Some coworkers...
...Freeper types just told me that they have heard on the news that American prisoners in Iraq, male and female, were raped while the Iraqis held them. They said that Jessica Lynch was raped twice. Please tell me the validity of the stories so I can pass it on. One of the coworkers is beyond recovery but the other one will listen. Documentation would do wonders with the second one.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:33 AM
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1. she emphatically stated that she was not raped!
Edited on Thu May-20-04 10:34 AM by lionesspriyanka
on edit: even if she were raped...it still does not make it morally ok for us to rape...

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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:34 AM
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2. it's bullshit
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:34 AM
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3. True or not I do not know...
But if it is true does that justify it for us to do it, too?

That's like the old, "If Billy jumped off the bridge would you do it, too?" my mom used to use on me.

If it is true then they are guilty of crimes and should be punished. However it doesn't make it right for us to do it back.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:37 AM
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4. You fail Debating Freepers 101
Edited on Thu May-20-04 10:37 AM by sangh0
because you violated the cardinal rule - Make them prove it!!

If they tell you the sun is shining, MAKE THEM PROVE IT!!

If they tell you their name, MAKE THEM PROVE IT!!!

Why in the world would you let someone tell you lies, and then assume the burden of proving that something did NOT happen?
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:41 AM
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8. One of the coworkers ran away with her hands over her ears...
...shouting I can't hear you when I asked for proof. The other one told me he heard it from his wife who heard it on the news. He is reading your responses with me.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:07 AM
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16. You just proved my point
Ask them for proof, and they run away.

(a message for the over-the-shoulder mouth-breather) Why can't you can't you prove your claims? If you can read this, you can read a newspaper, so why don't you find an article to support your ridiculous claims?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:37 AM
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5. Do two wrongs make a right?
Even if this is true (and it is NOT true in Lynch's case), you can't excuse one set of atrocities by another.

That's such incredibly primitive and Unchristian thinking!

Hit them with that one.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:38 AM
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6. lynch wasn't a hero, a POW or raped. She was treated as a wounded PERSON
unlike the Americans, who just slaughter and kill everyone who in sight.
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CulturalNomad Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:40 AM
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7. I saw Shoshana on the morning shows...
and she categorically said that she was not mistreated in Iraqi custody....
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:43 AM
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9. here's a link
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:43 AM
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10. there's been absolutely no such reports
Edited on Thu May-20-04 10:49 AM by fryguy
and I agree with the earlier postings, ask the freepers to show where they got their "information" that she was assaulted. they are, in effect, asking you to disprove a negative - "show us evidence that she wasn't raped" - what kind of bullshit is that. even though the reports of her abduction and wounds have been disputed somewhat, there has been no discussion of her being sexually assaulted....

and, anyway, even if she had been, that would give the soldiers over there the right to torture Iraqi prisoners?


on edit: I suppose this is the story - from her book - that the freepers are talking about: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/Primetime/GMA031106LynchBook-1.html -

"The book cites intelligence reports that indicate Lynch was treated brutally and says medical records confirm she was anally penetrated. However, the book says she has no memory of the event."

But, even if the intel reports are 100% true, the fundamental issue remains that this doesn't permit or excuse the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners.....

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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:44 AM
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11. There's always a few in every workplace, isn't there?
I'm having my own dealings with someone who's to afraid to talk to me, because they know they'll lose, so they play stealth...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1626081&mesg_id=1626081
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:57 AM
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12. more like they're playing scaredy-cat
you should start leaving signs that say "Vote Republican, its easier than thinking" around the office.....
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:58 AM
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13. All Democrats here!!
But in politics, you typically work in homogenous packs anyway.
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Cursive_Knives512 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:01 AM
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14. We don't need Iraqis to rape our soldiers
We take care of our own. I apologize for the lack of link, but isn't rape of our soldiers by our own soldiers a bit more of a problem right now than Iraqis raping our soldiers?

And I condemn both, of course, but like everyone else said- that doesn't make what Americans do to Iraqis right. Who once said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?"
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:06 AM
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15. If it comes from a True Conservative like McCain listen it could be true
but if it comes from The KoolAid Drinking Fake
Conservatives that call themselves republican
It is A LIE ...A Lie to sustain profit from
the blood of Americans and the other peoples
of the world .

The owners of the Major T.V. News are hoping
that People blindly TRUST them . They Profit
off The Blood Spilt and care not for Stopping
Blood from flowing .

She covered her ears when asked to prove it ?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..Typical .

Rose Colored glasses must nice , until they
come for you .
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:07 AM
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17. Just ask for non newmax, rush, hannity proof. That's shuts them up..
Edited on Thu May-20-04 11:13 AM by Kahuna
every time.
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