Apparently there's no Fallout from the Seymour Hersh article?

[Catherine Vincent]

DU members were chatting on Sunday on how this is the big shoe that has dropped on the bush administration. What happened? It was barely mentioned during the week. All the pentagon had to say was it's a lie. I guess that's all it took to squash this, eh?

It's really sad how this administration get away with all this crap.

[ewagner]

1. I think it dropped

because Hirsch couldn't go for the throat.....all his sources were "off the record" or "on background" so he couldn't drop the big one...........

[KittyWampus]

7. No, Actually Some JAGs Corroborated Hersh In Salon Article

which I posted here in GD and which was also in LBN.

DU'ers largely ignored it.

[LisaM]

2. Well one of them hasn't hit newsstands yet

It's going to be in the May 24th issue. Is this the article you mean? (I think it's about Rumsfeld.)

[Kool Kitty]

30. The May 24 issue is on the stands right now,

much of it to do with Rummy and more specifically, Mr. Cambone (the scumbag). It went on sale last Monday.

[Wind Dancer]

3. Maybe I'm living in a fantasy

but I think Hersh will reappear with more info! I have faith in him and believe he is one of the only journalists willing to take on this WH gone mad.

Give him time, don't lose faith!

[lovedems]

4. Wasn't the article this week just part of a series of articles that he

will be writing over the next several weeks? I remember seeing him on Hardball last week and he wouldn't answer some questions because he stated "I am still reporting on this".

I have been under the impression that he will have some more articles over the next couple of weeks. Anybody?

[Beaverhausen]

5. They found the WMDs the same day

the story hit the news.

edit- I mean they found the "sarin" that day.

[Cooley Hurd]

6. What they found in the artillery shell...

...was no more dangerous than chicken soup. :)

[DoNotRefill]

24. So, you'd drink it?

I wouldn't...

[Cooley Hurd]

34. No...

...but I'm not a big fan of chicken soup, either. ;)

[spanone]

11. you are correct...doesn't take long to connect the dots. heard the sarin

word today?

[Spazito]

8. The demand from the Senate Committee for the 3 generals to...

appear before them was as a direct result of Hersh's article, imo. They are now under oath regarding their testimony and their non-answers were recorded.

[GR]

9. It's Coming Back When The Right People Testify...

It's right in line with the Newsweek Article too. From what Jack Reed said, Warner is determined to call all the witnesses he needs, including the Intelligence Officer at "Camp Redemption" and Brigadier General Karpensky.

This won't go away and it can't be swept under the rug...

[Catherine Vincent]

10. we shall see....

[many a good man]

12. Waddaya mean NO fallout?

The media has been running with this story ever since. Congressional hearings. Courts martial. Follow up stories that corroborate his. Today Campbell Brown on MSNBC reported on atrocities at BIF that sources say far exceed what happened at Abu Ghraib.

Hersh started rolling the snowball down the hill and its steadily picking up mass and speed.

[Wind Dancer]

14. Just heard that on MSNBC!

Shocking coming from Campbell Brown and mainstream media.

Keith is kicking butt tonight, one of the few who tells the truth.

[TacticalPeek]

22. Keith reported medical story on guy with brain shrinking on the left side.

Keith - "Researchers have named this the 'Dennis Miller Syndrome'".

:evilgrin:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

15. I think she's talking about...

the SECOND Hersch article putting the blame right on Rumsfeld and Cambone.

When it broke, THAT aspect of the story went dead as a doornail. Everything we are hearing is still dicking around with the lowest level of involvements.

NO ONE is pointing out that Donald Rumsfeld most likely LIED under oath before Congress about his approval of "Copper Green".

THAT is the REAL story, and it has been dropped like a hot potato.

[Catherine Vincent]

21. Yeah, that is what I was talking about.

Rumsfeld committing perjury. But since he wasn't talking about his pee pee, it's no biggee.

[freeminder]

33. Rumsfeld perjury

form the SUPER article from Hersch:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content

<SNIP>
The abuses at Abu Ghraib were exposed on January 13th, when Joseph Darby, a young military policeman assigned to Abu Ghraib, reported the wrongdoing to the Army’s Criminal Investigations Division. He also turned over a CD full of photographs. Within three days, a report made its way to Donald Rumsfeld, who informed President Bush.

/<SNIP>

Contrast with Rumsfeld testimony
Q "when did you hear about the pictures"
A "some time... well.. must have been after the 15th... so some time in... January, february or march".

This article was and is mindblowing. You can put today's "new 6" photos right into it for illustration.

<SNIP>
“They weren’t getting anything substantive from the detainees in Iraq,” the former intelligence official told me. “No names. Nothing that they could hang their hat on. Cambone says, I’ve got to crack this thing and I’m tired of working through the normal chain of command. I’ve got this apparatus set up—the black special-access program—and I’m going in hot. So he pulls the switch, and the electricity begins flowing last summer. And it’s working. We’re getting a picture of the insurgency in Iraq and the intelligence is flowing into the white world. We’re getting good stuff. But we’ve got more targets”—prisoners in Iraqi jails—“than people who can handle them.”

Cambone then made another crucial decision, the former intelligence official told me: not only would he bring the sap’s rules into the prisons; he would bring some of the Army military-intelligence officers working inside the Iraqi prisons under the sap’s auspices. “So here are fundamentally good soldiers—military-intelligence guys—being told that no rules apply,” the former official, who has extensive knowledge of the special-access programs, added. “And, as far as they’re concerned, this is a covert operation, and it’s to be kept within Defense Department channels.”
/<SNIP>

"it's to be kept within Defense Department channels"

Guess that didn't work out. Pissing off the CIA is not a good idea.

[maggrwaggr]

23. when they interrupted Hardball for headlines, the top story was

Ken Petersen. As in "jury selection is almost complete in the Ken Petersen trial."

My jaw just about hit the floor.

[robbedvoter]

13. UPI military analyst was on Morning Sedition talking about the hatred

in the Pentagon between the army and civilians (Rummy&co).
It was that discontent b that brought up the torture story (i.e. - they told on Rummy) and more is to be expected. W is toast if he holds on to Rummy - and being an ideologue, he probably will.
This is what the UPI guy said.

[opihimoimoi]

16. But it is another piece of the puzzle. another chip in the pile.

They will add up sooner or later.

[keithyboy]

17. Why do you think they invaded Chalabi's offices? 2 reasons:

Seymour Hersh and Nick Berg.

[happynewyear]

18. Hersh's story is far from dead

I think there will be a lot more coming. Bring it on!!!

BRING IT ON HERSH!!!

:dem: :kick:

[SpiralHawk]

19. Hersh has more

depend upon it.

This is all a LOT UGLIER than we know.

More of the BushCo Gang's eVil dOinGs will soon bubble to the top of the cesspool.

[Beetwasher]

20. MSNBC:New Front In Iraq Detainee Abuse Scandal (NEW SECRET TORTURE PRISON)

Did someone ask for another shoe?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5024068/?GT1=3391

This story ain't going anywhere and it's only going to get worse.

I believe we might be seeing an orchestrated attempt to bring these fuckers down.

Someone's spreading the love; first the NY'er, then ABC now MSNBC gets a scoop.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. My guess is the CIA coupled with senior military commanders.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. Latest Washington Post bombshell...new pics + indepth article....

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20.html>

[Chopperman]

27. I'm really gonna enjoy the next few months

This is the big one people!
In addition to Shruby's demise, many repooplickuns will also get the boot because their foolish attempts to spin it as no big deal will make them look like evil nazi's, even more than they do now.

[wishlist]

28. ABC News Expose:Bush Admin hired corrupt top wardens for Iraq prisons

knowing these pigs were implicated in abuse and inmate deaths at the U.S. prisons they formerly ran. ABC News dropped this bombshell story tonight on their evening news:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/iraq_prison_wardens_040520-1.html

The story is widening daily and not going away

[Michael Harrington]

29. I like Campbell.

I've always found her to have that most important basic arttribute in a good reporter: curiosity.

I agree with everyone who thinks this is continuing to develop. It feels like the Fall and Winter of '86, after Hasenfus crash landed. Let's hope this time the Dem leadership has the guts to do what needs to be done and not wimp out like they did in '87 and '88.

After what happened in '98, when the Repukes used the Constitutional process as a wad of Charmin, I think they just might.

[wishlist]

31. Campbell Brown / NBC & Brian Ross/ ABC deserve kudos tonight

for some good reporting.

I like Campbell too. My gut feeling after watching her report was that most viewers would find her more credible than either the Pentagon spokesman who denied abuse at BIF or the Pentagon spokesman in Iraq who wouldn't answer any questions or even admit that the BIF facility exists!

[Democat]

32. Because Democratic politicians are cowards!

If this was Clinton, the Republicans would not rest until he was impeached, no matter if they were in the minority - they would never let it die, they would never give up, they would never be quiet.

Democratic politicians, for the most part (yes, there are a few exceptions), are Bush ass kissers who don't want to offend anyone.

Our leadership sucks. Bush should be getting pounded so hard over this that he doesn't even dare show his face in public.

[many a good man]

35. Its on medium simmer...

You don't want the water in this pot to boil itself dry too fast...it can last the whole summer. Everyone in DOD is stonewalling but the evidence is mounting. Let it come out piece by piece until it becomes obvious to even the most thick-headed morans that the whole lot has been perjuring.

We have to get the Republicans to demand resignations, firings, or prosecution. But let's not get carried away or they might dump Bush* at the convention and nominate McCain instead...

[Catherine Vincent]

36. Medium simmer?

I like that. I want the talking heads on tv to start referring to this story as "Torturegate" instead of the "Torture Scandal".

[DaveSZ]

37. It's better for it to drip, drip, drip out slowly

Let the media pile it on slowly, and build it up.