There's going to be a coup yet: Military tired of taking the heat

[keithyboy]

Calling Washington "Sunni Triangle West," Arnaud de Borchgrave writes that "the mashing of molars and sharpening of knives is audible" and "civilian heads must roll; generals are tired of taking the fall."

Lots of great articles here: www.cursor.org.

[NMDemDist2]

1. my hubby (the ex MP) has been saying the military

wouldn't let the suits get away with this and it's looking like he's correct (he usually is- he told me the RW had planned 9-11 when it happened and I just couldn't believe it )

[NinetySix]

2. How much truth is there to this?

Is this just rumor, or is there any real evidence to support this level of dissatisfaction among the higher-ups of our armed forces? I don't know whether I find this thought comforting or not....

[Eloriel]

9. Relax -- as I JUST emailed a friend after she

brought the Sanchez Watched article to my attention:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48229-2004May22.html

We are aleady in the middle of a bloodless military (and CIA) coup. They're not going to take OVER the government, they're just in the process of letting the chips fall where they may by allowing (okay, pushing) the truth out. And my oh my what a steaming pile of it there is.

And yes, I'd say the endless leaks indicate there's plenty of dissatisfaction among SOME higher-ups and plenty of not-so-higher-ups in the military (CIA too). But there's been grumbling from some of the old hands from the beginning, when Rumsfeld fired a bunch and replaced them with yes-men (and women, one presumes). Some of the retired generals were quite vocal in their opposition to the war back when it mattered. Zinni, Hoar, others.

[Beam Me Up]

13. I am reasured by your observations, Eloriel, but I wonder. . .

whether or not this can remain completely bloodless. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Berg beheading, for example, was a message to someone other than you and I. When I take into account all the blood that HAS been spilled to cement the current regime, some of which would had to have had knowledgeable complicity within the ranks of both military and CIA, I'm skeptical of this remaining contained.

[yardwork]

18. I think you might be right about the Berg beheading

The video is so obviously staged. I have the feeling that they didn't want the recipient of the message to miss the point.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. Remember when General Al Haig became Chief of Staff for Nixon....

...during the Watergate fiasco? The guy with the "football" (nuclear codes) stopped following Nixon around on that same day. An order also went out that day to all military commands to disregard all orders from the Commander-in-Chief (a friend of mind was on active duty and had the watch when that message came through the teletype). Those were very clear signs that the military had taken over to make sure that Nixon didn't do anything really crazy before he was removed from office. He had already threatened to nuke the Chinese back to the Stone Age during a closed-door Foreign Relations hearing.

A year later, Nixon had resigned, and a newly appointed and unelected VP became our first unelected President. Ford was a logical choice because he had also helped engineer the Warren Commission cover-up a decade earlier. That marked the transition of power from the military back to the civilian world.

[indigobusiness]

3. Bush has turned America into a Banana Republic

A military coup is appropos, and better than the economic coup that has been happening.
......................................
<snip>
One former low-intensity warfare specialist at the Pentagon described his visit to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad's Green Zone as "Alice in Wonderland." "It's hard to get out of it, let alone get into it," he told an audience of strategic experts. "Some of them have never met an Iraqi outside the Green Zone and yet they draft proclamations they have no way of implementing. CPA is part of the problem, not part of the solution."
Some of the other observations from recent visitors to Iraq who have had experience in previous conflicts in the developing world:
•We have outworn our welcome and "we now find ourselves in a hell of a pickle."
•If you don't know where you're going, you're likely to wind up where you don't want to be. Forget about installing a liberal democracy in Baghdad. Such constructs need a lot of fertilizer to take root. We don't have the time.
•There is no way to put a good face on the strategic withdrawal. Civilian heads must roll; generals are tired of taking the fall.
<snip>
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040518-085538-3851r
http://www.cursor.org/

[nightperson]

4. I like Cursor.

I was just thinking of posting that article. On edit: I see I've been beaten by 6 minutes! This place is churning!:nuke: :headbang: :nuke: :bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[Miss Authoritiva]

5. So close to the election? Why not wait and see?

Or they could just do the old Serpico set-up: don't provide cover, don't provide back-up. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld would be on their own. The one thing you don't do to the military is use them as chum, and that's just what Bush has done.

[Rebellious Republican]

21. Miss Authoritiva, I believe that is whats happening, in terms of a

Military coup! I think that was the point of the post. They know they can not wait and see what happens in Nov. by then it would be to late. People in the military know how the game is played and I am sure that they would like someone with wartime experience in office. Thats the only way this mess is going to get straightened out. Would you hire a baker to rewire your house! I believe they want these chicken hawks gone.

[indigobusiness]

31. "chum"

That hit me square in the gut.

[ConsAreLiars]

6. Arnaud de Borchgrave is a longtime CIA asset

http://www.namebase.org/main1/Arnaud-De-borchgrave.html

[indigobusiness]

7. Yes, but his knives are sharp...

and he has been using them well, lately.

sp edit

[ConsAreLiars]

10. When the CIA speaks ...

Powerplayers listen.

As always, he is a faithful servant of "The Secret Team" and his words tell much about the kinds of agitprop that serves their interests. He may be creating a curtain or pulling one away, but you can be assured that what he says is what they want us to hear.

[indigobusiness]

11. That, I'm sure, is true...

but what he is saying is explosive.

[ConsAreLiars]

17. No disagreement

I am just pointing out that a part of understanding the "explosive" significance of his article is understanding his role among the back room crowd. He is not just some journalist who got a source drunk enough to let out a few juicy tidbits of gossip. He is a very well-connected "agent of influence." Whether he lies or tells the truth (as now) is less important to him than serving the CFR-WTO-NWO-MNC (whatever your favorite shorthand is) types. The point is that understanding who he is is important in assessing the significance of this article.

[indigobusiness]

22. Your insight in the "The Secret Team" is obviously

much deeper than mine (any personal association?), and you articulate your points well, but I am more interested in the content and quality of the message than the cut of the messenger. In this case, while you say "The point is that understanding who he is is important in assessing the significance of this article.", de Borchgrave's background is no secret, but his revelations have more journalistic than propagandistic import. And if we are being manipulated, maybe we are being manipulated to do the right thing for a change. There is some small comfort in that.

[Trajan]

12. And like Pincus and Hersh... a mouthpiece ....

These guys have been singing for the phantoms for 3 years now ...

The middle rank and file has not been happy for quite a long time now ... They are using the 'assets' to express their disappointments in the executive branch ....

I gotta agree: Talk of a military coup isnt good news ....

[indigobusiness]

14. Not good news for a number of reasons, but the talk of civilian heads

rolling has a nice ring to it.

[indigobusiness]

16. I creeped myself out with that one.

Good gravy, what are they doing to me? I am for peace at all cost, and it is costing me more than I reckoned.

[hexola]

8. The Coup begins Nov 4, 2004 (nt)

[NinetySix]

15. COUNTER-coup, you mean. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

25. Yep.

We (the politically aware) are in the thick of it now.
:hi:

RMA/RPMA has nothing to do with defending our Constitution.

[Karenina]

19. "Wait until November..."

Hmmm... And he-e-e-e-re's SUMMER!

Look at what's gone in the last 5 weeks.
All bets are off.

[Gin]

20. The last coup in the US was the 2000 selection...

What would a military coup look like?

[indigobusiness]

23. Look at Pakistan's recent coup...

rather calm and collected.

The idea of it actually occurring in the US is anathema to me, but so is the current state of affairs, and maybe it IS warranted.

[indigobusiness]

26. So true...

Things can change in a hurry. The hole our leader has dug for himself is deep and getting deeper... At this rate, who knows? He just might dig his way out.

[trof]

24. The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012

The letter that follows takes us on a darkly imagined excursion into the future. A military coup has taken place in the United States--the year is 2012--and General Thomas E. T. Brutus, Commander-in-Chief of the Unified Armed Forces of the United States, now occupies the White House as permanent Military Plenipotentiary. His position has been ratified by a national referendum, though scattered disorders still prevail and arrests for acts of sedition are underway. A senior retired officer of the Unified Armed Forces, known here simply as Prisoner 222305759, is one of those arrested, having been convicted by court-martial for opposing the coup. Prior to his execution, he is able to smuggle out of prison a letter to an old War College classmate discussing the "Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012." In it, he argues that the coup was the outgrowth of trends visible as far back as 1992. These trends were the massive diversion of military forces to civilian uses, the monolithic unification of the armed forces, and the insularity of the military community. His letter survives and is here presented verbatim.

It goes without saying (I hope) that the coup scenario above is purely a literary device intended to dramatize my concern over certain contemporary developments affecting the armed forces, and is emphatically not a prediction. -- Lt. Col Charles J. Dunlap, USAF-1992

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/1992/dunlap.htm
Note from trof: He is now General Dunlap at Langley, VA

[trof]

27. Bio of Gen. Dunlap here:

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio_print.asp?bioID=5293&page=1

I think he may be one of the good guys.
I'm trying to get in touch with him.
Google his name and read some of the other things he's written.
Especially about the dangers of the "technological battlefield".

[bobthedrummer]

30. He authored Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA

and my reading of this is that it was representative of many highly RW politicized officers that hated President Clinton. Also, consider the fact that much of this type of work during the Clinton era came out of neo-conservative dominated military think tanks, in this case, USAF/INSS.

Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA from October 1996
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm

[trof]

32. He said Gen. Campbell should have been charged under Art.88

UCMJ. Not just allowed to resign/retire.

"For example, Maj. Gen. Harold Campbell was compelled to retire after referring to the "gay-loving," "womanizing," "draft-dodging" and "pot-smoking" President in a speech at an Air Force banquet."

[indigobusiness]

28. wow...interesting

Amazing, the stuff you folks come up with.

With all the contigency planning and sophisticated war-gaming going on, I w2onder if these guys ever consider the potentials of self-fullfilling prophecy.

[donsu]

33. I think military in-fighting is still going on

the military religious nuts (known and in the closet) have a lot of power.

[Tansy_Gold]

34. Well, f there is a coup, I certainly hope it isn't led by the likes of

Sanchez and Myers, Miller and Kimmet, et al.

Is this like saying we have two militaries, two CIAs, two everythings? We have one CIA that's desperately trying to save boosh's polling numbers and cover up the abuse/torture scandal even though they're really just a bunch of bumbling fools who behead innocent American mercenaries on grainy botched videotape, and another CIA that's still trying to bring down the booshies over Valerie Plame? Which one of those CIAs was responsible for the bad intel on 9/11, and which one had the good intel that wasn't listened to?

And do we have one military that allows torture and/or watches while it goes on, and another that deplores it and wants to bring the others down?


Tansy Gold, confused

[donsu]

35. but there are three hands in the same military glove

military/cia/fbi

ain't it so?

[msanthrope]

36. I noted on another

thread, but it seems more appropriate here, that we are approaching the 60th anniversary of 20 July 1944.

I want to say something profound about history repeating itself, but I think we all get the gist. Disclaimer: I'm not advocating violence, just hoping that Bush is dethroned.